# Have Bannon & Trump missed their chance? Oscars, Nerd Prom: False Flag Still Possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882 "2017-02-26T22:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/21 "2017-02-27T01:39:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Agreed. The part where the OP lost me is when he said the Trump administration is capable of faking a major terrorist attack. I doubt the current administration, all working together, is capable of programming a DVD player. Have they figured out yet, how to turn on the lights at the White House? šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/22 "2017-02-27T01:46:18Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > The theory under discussion is that the administration could use an apparent terrorist attack to consolidate their power, right? > > In that case, rather than carry out the attack themselves, couldnā€™t they just depend on a real terrorist organization to do it for them? Not by actually coordinating with them; obviously that would leave a trail. Instead, maybe they just get a little lazy about acting on credible threats. Maybe, when itā€™s time to follow up on some juicy piece of actionable intelligence, they suddenly find themselves real busy with something else. Next thing you knowā€¦ well, you get the idea. I think it would be more likely that they didnā€™t act because they donā€™t trust the intelligence. Either way, the result is the same, and is why I worry about terrorism more with this administration. There is not a chance that Trump would not use terrorism as an excuse to prove he was right all along. All it takes is just some disgruntled brown person who does a spree shooting, who will then be said to be ISIS. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/23 "2017-02-27T02:21:16Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > The theory under discussion is that the administration could use an apparent terrorist attack to consolidate their power, right? To be clear, the ā€œtheoryā€ under discussion is that the administration would orchestrate the act as a [false flag.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/24 "2017-02-27T02:50:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > To be clear, the ā€œtheoryā€ under discussion is that the administration would orchestrate the act as a [false flag.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) If they were stupid enough to try, they would be arrested, charged, convicted, and (hopefully) executed. With the enemies they are making in all government agencies, I have no doubt there are many who would gladly destroy these guys, given the chance. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/25 "2017-02-27T03:56:08Z")
Yeah, my point was, why actively organize a false flag operation when you can passively allow a _true_ flag operation to go off? Terrorists are a real thing, right? Why not let them do your dirty work for you? This strategy would be harder to prove than a false flag. Less chance of administration getting caught. Am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/26 "2017-02-27T04:03:20Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > Yeah, my point was, why actively organize a false flag operation when you can passively allow a _true_ flag operation to go off? Terrorists are a real thing, right? Why not let them do your dirty work for you? This strategy would be harder to prove than a false flag. Less chance of administration getting caught. Am I wrong? Yeah, because terrorists can be totally trusted to go along with your plan, nor will they rat you out in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/27 "2017-02-27T04:29:39Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > The theory under discussion is that the administration could use an apparent terrorist attack to consolidate their power, right? > > In that case, rather than carry out the attack themselves, couldnā€™t they just depend on a real terrorist organization to do it for them? Not by actually coordinating with them; obviously that would leave a trail. Instead, maybe they just get a little lazy about acting on credible threats. Maybe, when itā€™s time to follow up on some juicy piece of actionable intelligence, they suddenly find themselves real busy with something else. Next thing you knowā€¦ well, you get the idea. The US anti-terrorism authorities do not comprise Trump, Bannon, Reibus and Conway, you know. How the heck does the _Evil Inner Core_[sup]TM[/sup] organise this - always assuming they are actually dastardly enough to want to? The EIC[sup]TM[/sup] being real busy isnā€™t going to stop the massive apparatus of the US anti-terrorist machine from paying attention. And how the hell is the EIC[sup]TM[/sup] going to convince the people who have spent their life tracking down and stopping terrorist threats to _not do so_ without it leaking? In Hollywood movies the Big Guy just gives a quiet order and it all miraculously happens. In real life, organising something this horrific would involve telling dozens of decent people, any number of whom are going to blow the whistle. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/28 "2017-02-27T04:54:16Z")
Pre-Truther post-truth piffle. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/29 "2017-02-27T06:54:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, because terrorists can be totally trusted to go along with your plan, nor will they rat you out in the end. Yeah, because terrorists wonā€™t attack without permission from the country theyā€™re attacking. Surely theyā€™d have to be in on it for the plan to work. Do you really not understand what Iā€™m saying? Remember the (very improbable) rumor that FDR let Japan attack Pearl Harbor because he wanted to get into the war? Iā€™m talking about something like that. Thereā€™s no collusion, nothing to ā€œrat out.ā€ Itā€™s just a matter of failing to defend the country from an attack they suspect or know is going to happen, in order to turn the tide of public opinion. Iā€™m not saying it will happen, just that itā€™s easier than a false flag operation, and harder to prove if people start asking questions. I thought I was clear about this. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/30 "2017-02-27T07:06:07Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > The US anti-terrorism authorities do not comprise Trump, Bannon, Reibus and Conway, you know. How the heck does the _Evil Inner Core_[sup]TM[/sup] organise this - always assuming they are actually dastardly enough to want to? > > The EIC[sup]TM[/sup] being real busy isnā€™t going to stop the massive apparatus of the US anti-terrorist machine from paying attention. And how the hell is the EIC[sup]TM[/sup] going to convince the people who have spent their life tracking down and stopping terrorist threats to _not do so_ without it leaking? > > In Hollywood movies the Big Guy just gives a quiet order and it all miraculously happens. In real life, organising something this horrific would involve telling dozens of decent people, any number of whom are going to blow the whistle. Okay, but in this thread, people are talking about a full-on false flag operation, which is much, much less likely to succeed than a passive ā€œlet them attack and reap the benefitsā€ strategy. If youā€™re\* willing to believe the ā€œevil inner coreā€ is audacious enough to try a false flag, why not the safer and less risky (yet still terrible and dumb) plan of just letting the actual terrorists attacK? \*not you, specifically. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/31 "2017-02-27T08:36:09Z")
Both are so unlikely as to warrant no further thought. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/32 "2017-02-27T08:55:34Z")
In a normal world, with normal expectations of normalcy, Iā€™d agree with those who suggest that the OP is tripping and needs a tin-foil replacement. HOWEVER, as another poster pointed out, the rules of ā€˜normalā€™ are off the table. What weā€™ve already heard from the US presidency has been bonkersā€¦why is it so far removed for Bannon and Trump to orchestrate an attack (either directly or passively) to get the populace shit scared and behind them in their efforts? Bloody hell, BUSH managed to send the world to an Iraqi war with liesā€¦how so much different or difficult for these two?? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/33 "2017-02-27T12:22:55Z")
False flag operations are harder to pull off than you think. Those InfoWars guys have caught the last 50 of them, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/34 "2017-02-27T12:27:28Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > The theory under discussion is that the administration could use an apparent terrorist attack to consolidate their power, right? > > In that case, rather than carry out the attack themselves, couldnā€™t they just depend on a real terrorist organization to do it for them? Not by actually coordinating with them; obviously that would leave a trail. Instead, maybe they just get a little lazy about acting on credible threats. Maybe, when itā€™s time to follow up on some juicy piece of actionable intelligence, they suddenly find themselves real busy with something else. Next thing you knowā€¦ well, you get the idea. Back then, Bush got [the memo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US), patted the briefer on the head and told him ā€œYouā€™ve covered your assā€ and went back to brush clearing or painting or whatever, and we didnā€™t hear about it until after the fact. Now, given the richly deserved contempt the professionals hold for the Short-Fingered Vulgarian, that sort of brush-off would be leaked within hours. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/35 "2017-02-27T13:59:48Z")
Can the truther conspiracy bullshit wait until _after_ thereā€™s been something worth getting all Truthery about? And then maybe another few centuries? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/36 "2017-02-27T14:03:26Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > Yeah, because terrorists wonā€™t attack without permission from the country theyā€™re attacking. Surely theyā€™d have to be in on it for the plan to work. > > Do you really not understand what Iā€™m saying? Remember the (very improbable) rumor that FDR let Japan attack Pearl Harbor because he wanted to get into the war? Iā€™m talking about something like that. Thereā€™s no collusion, nothing to ā€œrat out.ā€ Itā€™s just a matter of failing to defend the country from an attack they suspect or know is going to happen, in order to turn the tide of public opinion. Iā€™m not saying it will happen, just that itā€™s easier than a false flag operation, and harder to prove if people start asking questions. I thought I was clear about this. Given how many leaks there are now, I can imagine that it would be quite easy to prove if it happened. Intel such are you are talking about comes from the bottom up. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/37 "2017-02-27T14:24:28Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > False flag operations are harder to pull off than you think. Those InfoWars guys have caught the last 50 of them, at least. But how many didnā€™t they catch, that the lying liberal fake MSM have failed to report? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/38 "2017-02-27T15:59:14Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > But how many didnā€™t they catch, that the lying liberal fake MSM have failed to report? Well, there was that one in Sweden for starters! ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/39 "2017-02-27T16:11:00Z")
Well, so far in life Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon ā€” both getting on in years ā€” have refrained from killing _anyone_, or committing bodily harm on anyone, or ordering such to be done by their minions. Whatever their failings, blood-thirstiness doesnā€™t appear to be among them. I would wait and see until Trump revives Obamaā€™s manic drone-killing operation and starts ordering hits on weddings and post-drone-strike funerals ( and apparently a shepherd ), personally choosing the targets, as a clue heā€™s gone over to the dark side. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-bannon-trump-missed-their-chance-oscars-nerd-prom-false-flag-still-possible/780882/40 "2017-02-27T16:30:27Z")
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