# Have Gerbils & Hamsters ever been, y'know, feral? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 28, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148 "2005-01-28T18:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/1 "2005-01-28T18:31:47Z")
I can’t imagine our little fuzzy friends running wild and free over the …tundra, serengetti, plains…just where do gerbies and Hammies come from? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/2 "2005-01-28T18:48:40Z")
The Syrian, or Golden Hamster _Mesocricetus auratus_, the species most commonly kept as a pet, is native to eastern Europe and the Middle East. All of the domestic stock is descended from a single group captured in Syria in 1930. It is possible that the original wild population is now extinct. There are many species of gerbils. The one most commonly kept as a pet is the Clawed Jird _Meriones unguiculatus_. Its natural habitat is semidesert and steppe in Mongolia. They were first brought to the US as research animals in 1954. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/3 "2005-01-28T18:48:52Z")
The creatures we know now may have been bred for the smallness. According to Britannica, [Gerbil…is a burrowing rodent native to desert and near-desert regions of Africa and Asia.](http://www.britannica.com/ebi/article?tocId=9274534) Also according to Britannica, hamsters are “any of 18 Eurasian species of rodents possessing internal cheek pouches. The golden hamster (Mesocricetus auratus) of Syria is commonly kept as a pet.” Some other websites also seem to indicate a desert background for hamsters. I can’t seem to find the right search phrase to find out where one might currently see mighty herds of gerbils and hamsters roaming free, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/4 "2005-01-28T18:51:07Z")
Here’s a website on gerbils. There apparently are 87 different species, ranging from Africa to central Asia. [http://www.gerbil-info.com/html/other\_gerbil\_species.htm](http://www.gerbil-info.com/html/other_gerbil_species.htm) I’m still trying to find out how many different species of hamster there are, but apparently, only 5 species are usually kept as pets. The pet species of hamster are: Syrian Hamster Dwarf Campbell Russian Hamster Chinese Hamster Roborovskii Hamster Winter White Russian Hamster As far as I can tell, though, hamsters range from Europe (the European Field Hamster was hunted as a pest, and is now endangered) to Siberia. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/5 "2005-01-28T18:58:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The Syrian, or Golden Hamster _Mesocricetus auratus_, the species most commonly kept as a pet, is native to eastern Europe and the Middle East. All of the domestic stock is descended from a single group captured in Syria in 1930. It is possible that the original wild population is now extinct. To clarify, the true Golden Hamster, _Mesocricetus auratus_, is (or was) found only in the vicinity of Aleppo, Syria. Another form, _M. brandti_ , is sometimes considered a subspecies of the Golden Hamster, and this has a wider range in the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/6 "2005-01-28T19:00:07Z")
Wild Hamsters [have been captured in Syria in the last 30 years LINK.](http://www.petwebsite.com/history.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/7 "2005-01-28T19:05:38Z")
And, apparently, [China is being overrun by giant fire-breathing gerbils LINK](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm), except they don’t breath fire. So sue me. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/8 "2005-01-28T19:24:51Z")
From Bosda’s firebreathin’ gerbil link: > [@](#): > > An explosion of gerbils is decimating vast areas of grasslands in China’s north-western Xinjiang region, with some of the prairies completely destroyed by hundreds of rodent burrows, according to authorities in the region. **An Explosion of Gerbils** would be an excellent user name. 87 different kinds of Gerbils…the mind boggles. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/9 "2005-01-28T19:25:12Z")
Wow. Giant gerbils. Has anyone told Richard Gere yet? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/10 "2005-01-28T19:28:46Z")
Thik about it this way. Mice are wild, right? They are just as cute and fuzzy, yet we have no problem imagining themi n the wild, So why is it hard to imagine a hamster or gerbil? (Oh, and if you’ve ever owned a tempermental hamster, you will know that they must have been feral at some point, the way those f\*ckers bite.) ---
**Author:** ![butler1850](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@butler1850](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butler1850)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/11 "2005-01-28T19:40:56Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > And, apparently, [China is being overrun by giant fire-breathing gerbils LINK](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3162743.stm), except they don’t breath fire. So sue me. 😛 Sounds like they are in league with the Nazi Groundhogs. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/12 "2005-01-28T19:43:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Wow. Giant gerbils. > Has anyone told Richard Gere yet? 😃 Damn it!! Why does someone always beat me to it? ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/13 "2005-01-28T19:56:34Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > I can’t imagine our little fuzzy friends running wild and free over the …tundra, serengetti, plains…just where do gerbies and Hammies come from? I know you didn’t explicitly ask, but consider the plight of another common family pet, the Guinea Pig. In Peru, they call it [lunch](http://freespace.virgin.net/tobys.world/care01.html). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/14 "2005-01-28T22:49:08Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I know you didn’t explicitly ask, but consider the plight of another common family pet, the Guinea Pig. In Peru, they call it [lunch](http://freespace.virgin.net/tobys.world/care01.html). They are quite tasty; I’ve had them a couple of times at fancy restaurants in Cuzco. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/15 "2005-01-28T22:50:22Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Wild Hamsters [have been captured in Syria in the last 30 years LINK.](http://www.petwebsite.com/history.htm) The last one apparently in 1982. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/16 "2005-01-28T23:27:58Z")
I’ve never thought about gerbils and hamster out in the wild, just like I don’t consider poodles origns as hunting dogs. It is in.con.ceiv.able. I think that they all live in some huge habitrail some where until it is time to go to their new home. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/17 "2005-01-28T23:28:14Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The last one apparently in 1982. For 20 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2005, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/18 "2005-01-29T00:13:35Z")
And of course there’s the [Filigree Siberian Hamster](http://www.fawltysite.net/Images/basiltherat02.jpg) which some of you may remember from [Fawlty Towers](http://www.fawltysite.net/episode12.htm) ---
**Author:** ![violacrane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c57346/32.png) [@violacrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/violacrane)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2005, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/19 "2005-01-29T01:14:58Z")
The thing with the pouches is a very efficient system. While other small rodents have to stay in the open eating their food where they find it hamsters just stuff and go. Handy trait for such tasty little morsels to have in a world of cats, foxes, owls and raptors! ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2005, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148/20 "2005-01-29T03:30:12Z")
> [@Shirley Ujest](#): > > I’ve never thought about gerbils and hamster out in the wild, just like I don’t consider poodles origns as hunting dogs. It is in.con.ceiv.able. > > I think that they all live in some huge habitrail some where until it is time to go to their new home. **Shirley** , your insight is profound…and I have hamsters that are the exception that prove the rule, and thus, scientifically speaking, elevate your hypothesis to the status of theory. We have kept [Campbell’s Russian Dwarf Hamsters (Phodopus campbelli)](http://www.hamsters-uk.org/hamster/c_normal.html) for six years now - not the same ones, but some of them do live for 21/2 years - and most of them spend all their waking hours (not a lot of those, actually) scuttling along their tubes, spinning on their wheels and remembering to be considerate to the next user when using the [hamster toilet closet](http://www.dealsmart.co.uk/product/5001025/Hamster_Toilet_Closet.php). (I think you’d call it “hamster bathroom”.) However, one particular couple (the mum is called Ickings Icks and the dad Mouthy Mouth, AKA [Leaper](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289806&highlight=hamster) ) yearn to return to the place they belong. Not content with leaping out of the cage via the top flap, Mouthy has spent the last few months chewing through the plastic plug thingie on the side of the cage which you use if you don’t want to have yet another tube sticking out of your cage. This morning my wife woke me up to tell me that Ickings and Mouthy had escaped and had made a dash for freedom. It’s the first time she has ever taken an interest in these animals - in fact, she amazed me by extending her arms and revealing that she had one hamster safely ensconced in each hand. She had never so much as touched them before. She was so animated as she joyously repeated how these little creatures wanted to return to their natural habitat. I put them back in their cage, telling Ickings to look after her three surviving babies, and made my way to work. Imagine my surprise then when the first thread I came across was this one. I know that [hamsters are remarkably similar to humans physiologically and neurologically](http://www.newstarget.com/z001619.html) (see paragraph 3), but is Someone trying to tell me something? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-gerbils-hamsters-ever-been-yknow-feral/287148.md?page=2)