# Have high level liberal operatives infiltrated the right-wing message machine? NSFW **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813 "2009-04-12T04:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/1 "2009-04-12T04:04:08Z")
Have high level liberal operatives infiltrated the right-wing message machine in order to make them look silly? Okay, I’m asking that with tongue firmly in cheek, but look at the evidence. [ul] [li]They’re planning mass demonstrations in a few days by people who describe themselves as “teabaggers” and rant endlessly about “teabagging”.[/li] For those who don’t already know, here’s the Urban Dictionary definition of teabagging. NSFW! > **[Urban Dictionary: teabagging](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagging)** > > teabagging: 1) Repeated insertion of ones testicles in another's mouth. 2) Continiously crouching on a dead body in a video game. teabagging To have a man insert his scrotum into another person’s mouth in the fashion of a teabag into a mug with an up/down (in/out) motion. [li]Then there’s the organization “Nation for Marriage”. Have you seen their new anti-same sex marriage ad? Here’s a link to the video. I’m not sure that I’d label it NSFW but be careful even so.[/li][http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.5075663/k.A89C/Religious\_Liberty.htm](http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.5075663/k.A89C/Religious_Liberty.htm) This organization, which sees same sex marriage as a gathering storm that threatens their freedoms, has started a new initiative. > [@](#): > > NOM Launches Nationwide “Two Million for Marriage” Initiative! > APRIL 8, 2009 – In just a few minutes, NOM President Maggie Gallagher and I will hold a press conference in Trenton, NJ, announcing an ambitious new nationwide “2 Million for Marriage” (2M4M) initiative. Notice the acronyme they themselves are using? “2M4M”. Do I even need to link to [urbandictionary.com](http://urbandictionary.com)? NSFW! [Urban Dictionary: 2M4M](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=2M4M) [spoiler]2M4M 2 men for man. Personal ads abbreviation for a gay male threesome.[/spoiler]Do these people not have access to Google? Or are they in reality wealthy performance artists yanking all our chains?[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/2 "2009-04-12T04:24:10Z")
I hadn’t noticed that 2M4M thing… not that I would have known what it meant anyway, of course. I just can’t wait for the Ordained Ministers’ National Organization for Marriage. _Om nom_. ---
**Author:** ![oliversarmy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/eb8c5e/32.png) [@oliversarmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oliversarmy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/3 "2009-04-12T04:45:08Z")
Hmm. This sounds vaguely familiar. I wonder who is “yanking one’s chains?” > **[So, Republicans can have their bizzare sexual practices celebrated by Fox...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513701)** > > those same people screamed about Janet Jackson’s nipple? What’s going on here? Are we sliding down the slippery lubed slope of Republican Fetish reality shows now? Will Sarah Palin in a bikini be involved somehow? I am of course talking about the... Maybe they are performance artists. Or maybe all right-wingers are, indeed, homosexuals wishing for scrotal contact. I don’t know know. Enlighten me, with tongue firmly planted in cheek. And please, I don’t want this to go to the Pit or Great Debates or to the moderators. Maybe these folks just have a gripe they want to express. From what I know, they are they are using the Boston Tea Party as metaphor to say they disagree with the government. What’s wrong with that? And finally, after more than 10 years on this board – I started reading Cecil back in the '80s and I’m glad I did – I quit. I used to post as “Ag80,” and changed to “oliversarmy.” You can look up my posts to see where I stand on issues. But, there’s no longer any variance on the meme here anymore, no matter the forum. I came here for truth, and I found it. Cecil and Ed and a lot of the moderators and posters are good people that cut through the crap and give good information. Good night, may Og bless you and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/4 "2009-04-12T04:49:41Z")
Um… bye? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/5 "2009-04-12T05:03:16Z")
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to disagree with the government, I support that right entirely. The problem is that these people seem to be entirely clueless as to how they’re going about it. I understand the symbolism of tea. The problem is their use of the words “teabagger” and “teabagging” which, as far as I know, have had no use up till now other than a sexual one. You’d think that someone somewhere along the way would have realized that they were setting themselves up to look silly. As to the second group, they’re delivering a hateful message so screw 'em. Excuse me if I find humor in the irony of the acronym they’re using. Have I really personally caused you to leave the dope? If so, I’m truly sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/6 "2009-04-12T06:06:37Z")
> [@oliversarmy](#): > > From what I know, they are they are using the Boston Tea Party as metaphor to say they disagree with the government. What’s wrong with that? Yeah, that’s exactly what it’s about. For more info and updates, go to [instapundit.com](http://instapundit.com). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/7 "2009-04-12T06:16:02Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > Yeah, that’s exactly what it’s about. > > For more info and updates, go to [instapundit.com](http://instapundit.com). Obviously we all understand the metaphor. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/8 "2009-04-12T06:24:11Z")
Moving insane rant from IMHO to The BBQ Pit. ---
**Author:** ![PetW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@PetW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PetW)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/9 "2009-04-12T06:36:19Z")
Insane rant? I thought it was hilarious. 2M4M is classic! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/10 "2009-04-12T06:59:57Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > Insane rant? I thought it was hilarious. 2M4M is classic! Thank you. I’m glad somebody sees it. I can understand moving it to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/11 "2009-04-12T07:01:50Z")
Where are you getting this? Please link to your sources where they are talking about teabagging/2MFM ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/12 "2009-04-12T07:20:28Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > …Then there’s the organization “Nation for Marriage”. Have you seen their new anti-same sex marriage ad?.. Maybe it _is_ performance art, considering their ad ends with this beaut: > [@](#): > > …a rainbow coalition of people of every creed and color are coming together in love. Tee-hee-hee 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/13 "2009-04-12T07:21:17Z")
You may be on to something. I saw NOM’s video on Youtube, and my first impression was that it was extremely deadpan satire. Really, I’m not convinced even now that it’s for real. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![valleyofthedolls](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a4c791/32.png) [@valleyofthedolls](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/valleyofthedolls)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/14 "2009-04-12T07:23:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Moving insane rant from IMHO to The BBQ Pit. How was this an insane rant? ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/15 "2009-04-12T08:00:13Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Where are you getting this? Please link to your sources where they are talking about teabagging/2MFM Check out the thread linked to in Post #3. There are plenty of links showing right-wingers using the term quite unironically. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/16 "2009-04-12T08:05:08Z")
> [@valleyofthedolls](#): > > How was this an insane rant? You are right. It was juvenile and peevish, but it was not insane. And so, for the second time in so many days … [Enjoy!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/17 "2009-04-12T08:16:26Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Where are you getting this? Please link to your sources where they are talking about teabagging/2MFM I thought that I linked to the page with the 2M4M acronym in the OP, but it looks like I missed it. Here you go: [http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=omL2KeN0LzH&b=5075187&ct=6877701](http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=omL2KeN0LzH&b=5075187&ct=6877701) It’s in the first paragraph. Check out ArchiveGuy’s suggestion for teabag examples. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/18 "2009-04-12T11:42:07Z")
I really think this is another case of people linking their niche/unpopular slang term to a supposed reference in the mainstream and then acting in mock: “How could they not have _known_? Are they that _stupid_?” Honestly, it’s moronic. If you ask the average person on the street what “teabagging” means, unless they play Halo 3, they’re going to assume it has something to do with actual teabags. The same with 2M4M. First, I haven’t seen a personals section of the paper use the phrase M4M in a long time. It’s always written out “Men Seeking Men.” Because the idea of gay people having to use coded signals so as to not alert the heteros of their presence has pretty much been done away with. Secondly, that’s about the best acronym they could get out of their group’s name. Something less catchy would be less effective. Basically, it boils down to this: your cute insider phrase is not as popular as you think it is and if someone on the outside starts using it, it’s likely not connected in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/19 "2009-04-12T12:30:19Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > There’s nothing wrong with wanting to disagree with the government, I support that right entirely. The problem is that these people seem to be entirely clueless as to how they’re going about it. I understand the symbolism of tea. The problem is their use of the words “teabagger” and “teabagging” which, as far as I know, have had no use up till now other than a sexual one. You’d think that someone somewhere along the way would have realized that they were setting themselves up to look silly. > > As to the second group, they’re delivering a hateful message so screw 'em. Excuse me if I find humor in the irony of the acronym they’re using. > > Have I really personally caused you to leave the dope? If so, I’m truly sorry about that. Maybe it’s a fag check - like asking them to check their nails or telling them there’s something on their shoes. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813/20 "2009-04-12T13:09:49Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Your cute insider phrase is not as popular as you think it is and if someone on the outside starts using it, it’s likely not connected in any way. If I ever used a sig line, this would be it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-high-level-liberal-operatives-infiltrated-the-right-wing-message-machine-nsfw/492813.md?page=2)