# Have I mentioned lately how much I hate "manufactured demand?" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 28, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125 "2010-03-28T18:13:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/141 "2010-03-30T22:02:17Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Are you really trying to hijack this thread by telling me we have no ability to predict future market trends? That I can’t predict that advertising and marketing will be nakedly manipulative in the future? That I can’t predict that the Commons will not continue to be badly abused by a throw-away culture which values profit over everything? Seriously? Again: wow. Those are trivialities. Let’s see some real predictions. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/142 "2010-03-30T22:04:18Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > You have not once engaged the entirely on-topic ideas of the treadmill of production or the tragedy of the commons. Both of these ideas are pertinent and central to this thread. Do so now, or shut up. Fuck you, no. The OP is about Manufactured Demand, and I have spoken at length about it. You don’t get to wander into a thread and tell everyone what the thread is REALLY about, and restrict responses as a result. I am perfectly on topic with my posts, and I will not shut up. The quotes you provided were factual in nature and were in direct reference to Cat Whisperers idea that the money only went into the pockets of the rich. They were not dodges of anything, and you damn well know it. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/143 "2010-03-30T22:07:44Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > Those are trivialities. Let’s see some real predictions. I think you mean “generalities”, since the consequences are about as far from trivial as you can possibly get. And do you think they’re wrong? If so, why? ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/144 "2010-03-30T22:17:38Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Again with the dismissiveness, huh? Yes, I’ll admit I’m a bit dismissive towards the idea that I’m supposed to take time away from work on a busy day to defend myself against your strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/145 "2010-03-30T22:18:48Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Fuck you, no. The OP is about Manufactured Demand, and I have spoken at length about it. You don’t get to wander into a thread and tell everyone what the thread is REALLY about, and restrict responses as a result. I am perfectly on topic with my posts, and I will not shut up. You won’t respond to an idea which is central to the idea of the OP, and mistakenly accuse me of hijacking? Why are you even here? The only thing you’ve contributed to this thread is “I can spend my money how I want.” Awesome. Granted. Now, can we talk about some of the broader implications of that philosophy on a social scale? Perhaps something a bit more in-depth than “It let’s me buy fish sticks and tater tots for my kids”? Geesh. Thanks ever so fucking much. > [@](#): > > The quotes you provided were factual in nature and were in direct reference to Cat Whisperers idea that the money only went into the pockets of the rich. They were not dodges of anything, and you damn well know it. Try again. This degree of disingenuity is appalling. Anyone can see that your snarky responses were nakedly dismissive of the larger topic. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/146 "2010-03-30T22:30:40Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > You won’t respond to an idea which is central to the idea of the OP, and mistakenly accuse me of hijacking? Why are you even here? The only thing you’ve contributed to this thread is “I can spend my money how I want.” Since this is the 3rd time you’ve misquoted me, I can only assumed you are seriously confused. I’ve said nothing of the sort. > [@](#): > > This degree of disingenuity is appalling. Anyone can see that your snarky responses were nakedly dismissive of the larger topic. More bullshit. Sarahfeena & I were responding to a specific idea that was raised by the same person who started this thread. You got bitch slapped by Sarahfeena & thought you’d cover that up by ranting and raving about how the topic wasn’t near enough or dear enough to your heart. Then you told us to shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Dancer\_Flight](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dancer_flight/32/7601_2.png) [@Dancer\_Flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancer_Flight)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/147 "2010-03-30T23:32:35Z")
> [@ghardester](#): > > **Quit speaking of society as if your viewpoint is that of humanity as a whole** , it isn’t. > > [snip] > > And please, and **I think I speak for society as a whole** , please encourage your eco-hippy friends to purchase deodorant. Bolding mine. I really am not getting into this debate, but I thought the juxtaposition of these two statements is hilarious. -DF ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/148 "2010-03-30T23:41:21Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Since this is the 3rd time you’ve misquoted me, I can only assumed you are seriously confused. I’ve said nothing of the sort. I would have had to attribute a quote to you in order to misquote you. Since I have not done that, I’ll just assume you’re huffing gasoline again. What I did was (correctly) interpret a snotty comment by you. It’s not my fault you’re too craven to own up to it. > [@](#): > > More bullshit. Sarahfeena & I were responding to a specific idea that was raised by the same person who started this thread. You got bitch slapped by Sarahfeena & thought you’d cover that up by ranting and raving about how the topic wasn’t near enough or dear enough to your heart. Then you told us to shut up. The quote you responded to by CW was part of a response to my post #76, which, by the way, bears directly on the question. See? On topic. Let me guess. You’re a marketer. You are, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/149 "2010-03-30T23:47:43Z")
> [@Dancer\_Flight](#): > > Bolding mine. > > I really am not getting into this debate, but I thought the juxtaposition of these two statements is hilarious. > > -DF I did that on purpose. Just being a smart ass. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/150 "2010-03-30T23:51:05Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Fuck you, no. Reminder: [QUOTE=Restricted language in the Pit] The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. * * * fuck you . . . . [/QUOTE] > **[Restricted language in the Pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858)** > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper motherfucker cocksucker fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die suck/lick my dick/cock and variants Expressions not... No warning issued. **Gfactor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/151 "2010-03-30T23:55:22Z")
_But DO people want fire that can be fitted nasally?_ I seem to recall something about a translation of a 3,000 year old Sumerian law regarding the accuracy of advertisements for slave sales, but I can’t find it now. But it just adds to the evidence that for as long as people have existed, we’ve lied to each other about the value of what we’re trying to trade away. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/152 "2010-03-31T00:04:16Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I would have had to attribute a quote to you in order to misquote you. Since I have not done that, I’ll just assume you’re huffing gasoline again. What I did was (correctly) interpret a snotty comment by you. It’s not my fault you’re too craven to own up to it. Of course, you aren’t bright enough to actually provide this mysterious comment, are you? I won’t hold my breath. > [@](#): > > The quote you responded to by CW was part of a response to my post #76,… More spinning. It was in a post that also replied to you (in a separate paragraph), but had nothing to do with anything you said. I repeat, we were responding to the specific assertion that the money only went into the pockets of the rich. Full stop. > [@](#): > > Let me guess. You’re a marketer. You are, aren’t you? Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/153 "2010-03-31T00:06:58Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I think you mean “generalities”, since the consequences are about as far from trivial as you can possibly get. And do you think they’re wrong? If so, why? Yes, “generalities” is probably a better term. I don’t think they’re wrong, just obvious, and uninteresting. It’s like predicting that tomorrow the sun will rise. True, but not helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/154 "2010-03-31T00:16:58Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Of course, you aren’t bright enough to actually provide this mysterious comment, are you? I won’t hold my breath. Siiiiiigh. You’re trolling me. I’ve already referenced this several times, thinking you might one day learn to work the internets, but since you want chapter and verse, here you go. > [@](#): > > Wow. My friends who work for P&G will be interested to find out that they are sorta, kinda feeding their families, unreliably and not really in any given time frame. > [@](#): > > More spinning. It was in a post that also replied to you (in a separate paragraph), but had nothing to do with anything you said. I repeat, we were responding to the specific assertion that the money only went into the pockets of the rich. Full stop. So, you got nothin’ then. Check. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/155 "2010-03-31T00:27:24Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Siiiiiigh. You’re trolling me. I’ve already referenced this several times, thinking you might one day learn to work the internets, but since you want chapter and verse, here you go. > > So, you got nothin’ then. Check. Of course, I also note, upon reviewing the thread, that most of your responses have been of the sullen, superior, content-free variety. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/156 "2010-03-31T00:30:13Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > Siiiiiigh. You’re trolling me. I’ve already referenced this several times, thinking you might one day learn to work the internets, but since you want chapter and verse, here you go. I used that quote to demonstrate the the money used to purchase goods does not only go into the pockets of the rich. In no way does it imply “I can spend my money how I want.” It doesn’t even vaguely suggest that. (And you did use quotes, by the way.) You are a liar. > [@](#): > > So, you got nothin’ then. Check. What does this mean? I explained that the comment we were talking about (by Cat Whisperer) had nothing to do with you. That is most definitely something. You can keep on spinning in the hopes that people will give up and forget that you were wrong as shit, then tried to change the subject. I suspect it has worked on a ton of people already. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/157 "2010-03-31T00:31:23Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > I used that quote to demonstrate the the money used to purchase goods does not only go into the pockets of the rich. In no way does it imply “I can spend my money how I want.” It doesn’t even vaguely suggest that. (And you did use quotes, by the way.) > > What does this mean? I explained that the quote we were talking about (by Cat Whisperer) had nothing to do with you. That is most definitely something. > > You can keep on spinning in the hopes that people will give up and forget that you were wrong as shit, then tried to change the subject. I suspect it has worked on a ton of people already. I haven’t changed the subject since my first post. You’re insane. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/158 "2010-03-31T00:32:37Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I haven’t changed the subject since my first post. You’re insane. Post 101. Not only did you change the subject, you attributed an opinion to Sarahfeena that she does not hold. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/159 "2010-03-31T00:36:06Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Post 101. Not only did you change the subject, you attributed an opinion to Sarahfeena that she does not hold. No, I think I nailed it rather accurately, and it perfectly illustrates the social attitude I was talking about in post 76. Gosh, I almost feel as if we’ve been over this before… ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2010, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125/160 "2010-03-31T00:38:56Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > No, I think I nailed it rather accurately, and it perfectly illustrates the social attitude I was talking about in post 76. Gosh, I almost feel as if we’ve been over this before… It did not reflect a social attitude. Sarahfeena didn’t say “As long as I get my paycheck, the rest of you can kiss my ass.” She was using her paycheck to demonstrate that people other than the rich receive money when a good is sold. She has explained this, yet you continue to attribute a mythical attitude to her. What you are doing is dishonest & unethical. It makes you a crappy person. Maybe not all the time, but certainly here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-i-mentioned-lately-how-much-i-hate-manufactured-demand/534125.md?page=9)