# Have Neo-Nazis tainted the fade haircut for you? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 21, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249 "2017-08-21T03:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reddy\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@Reddy\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reddy_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/1 "2017-08-21T03:42:54Z")
I have usually gotten my hair cut in a fade ever since I was about 11 or so. Lately I’m seeing on FB and other sites from my more left-wing friends that a fade is now a “Nazi haircut”. Yesterday, a man (not a Nazi) was stabbed by an “anti-fascist” for having the haircut; the antifa guy believed the man was a Nazi simply because of his haircut. Have the Nazis ruined a fade haircut for you? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/2 "2017-08-21T03:47:19Z")
Not for me. But what they did ruin was the wearing of shoes. All of those damn dirty nazis were wearing shoes. I can not in good conscious were shoes anymore. It’s flip-flops or bare feet for me from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/3 "2017-08-21T04:04:22Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > Yesterday, a man (not a Nazi) was stabbed by an “anti-fascist” for having the haircut; the antifa guy believed the man was a Nazi simply because of his haircut. Nah, “antifa” are not violent thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Reddy\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@Reddy\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reddy_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/4 "2017-08-21T04:10:28Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Nah, “antifa” are not violent thugs. > **[Man stabbed after haircut gets him mistaken for a neo-Nazi](https://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbed-after-haircut-gets-him-mistaken-for-a-neo-nazi/)** > > This Colorado man is avowedly not a neo-Nazi. But he believes his long-on-top, buzzed-on-the-sides haircut got him mistaken for one — and nearly stabbed to death by a confused anti-fascist. Joshua … "This Colorado man is avowedly not a neo-Nazi. But he believes his long-on-top, buzzed-on-the-sides haircut got him mistaken for one — and nearly stabbed to death by a confused anti-fascist. Joshua Witt, 26, escaped his brush with hairdo-doom with a defensive slice to the hand and three stitches. “Apparently, my haircut is considered a neo-Nazi statement,” he told The Post Saturday, as his account on Facebook garnered 20,000 shares. Witt says he’d just pulled in to the parking lot of the Steak ’n Shake in Sheridan, Colo., and was opening his car door. “All I hear is, ‘Are you one of them neo-Nazis?’ as this dude is swinging a knife up over my car door at me,” he said. “I threw my hands up and once the knife kind of hit, I dived back into my car and shut the door and watched him run off west, behind my car. “The dude was actually aiming for my head,” he added. “I was more in shock because I was just getting a milkshake.” Witt says he has no tattoos or regalia that would finger him for a fascist. His pals are messaging him on Facebook with the only rationale they can come up with: “They say it’s my haircut.” He’s thinking of changing his look, he says." ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/5 "2017-08-21T04:27:42Z")
Wow, somebody better tell the black guys in my neighborhood with their fades that they have “Nazi” haircuts. Yes, there probably are nutters making that sort of snap judgement based on someone’s hair, but I’m hoping it’s an isolated nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/6 "2017-08-21T05:01:07Z")
Makes me think of a young friend back in Albuquerque who was bald due to chemotherapy. He was confronted once by some asshole who thought he was making a political statement with his haircut. The got all belligerent asking why he wore his “hair” like that. My friend said, “I have cancer,” and the antagonist just melted into a puddle of Jello, apologizing profusely. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/7 "2017-08-21T05:17:18Z")
Nevermind, not the place. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/8 "2017-08-21T05:20:29Z")
There’s a cut that for some years has been known in the trade, awkwardly, as the [SS haircut](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/73/63/0f736316876b8c1d38e393b43e718e0c.jpg) or [Nazi haircut](http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30006024/2011/07/2011-07-07-09-41-13-2-horst-wessel-song-was-composed-by-19-year-old-hors.jpeg). It was [much](http://ounodesign.com/2014/05/26/the-hitler-youth-hipster-haircut/hitleryouthface/) in [favour](http://ounodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hitleryouth2.jpg) in Germany in the 1930s. It was considered to display the temples to good advantage and, for some reason, good temples were considered a mark of pure Aryan heritage. Also , it was a military haircut, chosen by the army authorities because it could be given very quickly by someone with minimal skill, like an army barber. (Which means, of course, that if you ask for one now you should not expect to pay too much to get it, or you’re being ripped off.) And the military look was considered a suitable one for the sterling Aryan youth of the fatherland. If you tell the barber you want an SS haircut, he’ll know what you mean. Up to now, the only downside has been that you can expect a certain amount of banter about it. But with Naziism becoming a slightly less marginal political presence in the US, it’s just possible that some people are asking for the haircut _because_ of these associations rather than despite them. And it’s also just possible that some people assume that it has the associations that it has not because it _was_ favoured by Nazis in the 1930s but because it _is_ favoured by Nazis in the 2010s. In other words, this cut could just become the skinhead cut _de nos jours_. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/9 "2017-08-21T10:14:07Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > I have usually gotten my hair cut in a fade ever since I was about 11 or so. > Lately I’m seeing on FB and other sites from my more left-wing friends that a fade is now a “Nazi haircut”. Yesterday, a man (not a Nazi) was stabbed by an “anti-fascist” for having the haircut; the antifa guy believed the man was a Nazi simply because of his haircut. > > Have the Nazis ruined a fade haircut for you? I had not heard they found the attacker and determined his motivation. The haircut thing was Facebook speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/10 "2017-08-21T11:21:14Z")
Nah. I always thought it was an ugly haircut. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/11 "2017-08-21T11:31:33Z")
Absolutely not. It’s a haircut I sport often (the hair on the sides of my head grows stiffly outward even at length, so I keep it short so I don’t look like a hamster) although a bit longer on the top. You should tell your left winged FB friends to stop stereotyping and judging by looks 😉 It is a nice clean cut haircut, that looks good on certain people (myself included) and is easy to maintain. Just because some neo-nazi dickhead wears it has nothing to do with anything. Its as arbitrary as saying someone is a biker because they have a beard. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/12 "2017-08-21T12:57:27Z")
I was beaten up once because my close-cropped hair and cheap, army-surplus clothes made someone think I was a neo-nazi. That was 30 years ago, so I think it’s probably always been a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/13 "2017-08-21T13:04:52Z")
Neo-Nazis have ruined [swastika armbands](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4170083.stm) for everyone. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/14 "2017-08-21T15:01:42Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Wow, somebody better tell the black guys in my neighborhood with their fades that they have “Nazi” haircuts. So you know there are good upstanding citizens in harms way and you’re not out there warning them and protecting your own neighbors? ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/15 "2017-08-21T15:06:09Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Wow, somebody better tell the black guys in my neighborhood with their fades that they have “Nazi” haircuts. > > Yes, there probably are nutters making that sort of snap judgement based on someone’s hair, but I’m hoping it’s an isolated nutjob. That’s what I was thinking. I am white and have rocked some version of a fade 20+ years but I’ve always thought of it in a way as a “black hair cut” or at least just a younger (Sorry I imagine really old dudes when some of ya’ll talk about getting long clippers all over) man’s haircut. I thought the long hair (sometimes slicked back) on top transformed it into the “alt right” cut. I keep mine fairly short though my hair is very thick and I have a better hairline than most of these supposedly superior young kids. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/16 "2017-08-21T15:10:00Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I was beaten up once because my close-cropped hair and cheap, army-surplus clothes made someone think I was a neo-nazi. That was 30 years ago, so I think it’s probably always been a possibility. Were you wearing Dr. Martins? ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/17 "2017-08-21T15:13:12Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > There’s a cut that for some years has been known in the trade, awkwardly, as the [SS haircut](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/73/63/0f736316876b8c1d38e393b43e718e0c.jpg) or [Nazi haircut](http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanager2/files/30006024/2011/07/2011-07-07-09-41-13-2-horst-wessel-song-was-composed-by-19-year-old-hors.jpeg). It was [much](http://ounodesign.com/2014/05/26/the-hitler-youth-hipster-haircut/hitleryouthface/) in [favour](http://ounodesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/hitleryouth2.jpg) in Germany in the 1930s. It was considered to display the temples to good advantage and, for some reason, good temples were considered a mark of pure Aryan heritage. I think it’s to cover up genetic inferiority of premature balding and the recession of whatever those points are called on the side of the head. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/18 "2017-08-21T15:34:11Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > Were you wearing Dr. Martins? I can’t remember, but possibly steel toecap Docs. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/19 "2017-08-21T15:42:59Z")
How short do the sides need to be for a fade? It looks peeled on the sides in photos. I have always asked for a #3 guard on the side and #5 on top. I think it looks nice. Is that considered a fade? Does a real fade uses a #0 or #1 guard on the side? Or maybe no guard at all? [https://goo.gl/images/suhK6o](https://goo.gl/images/suhK6o) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249/20 "2017-08-21T15:58:58Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > So you know there are good upstanding citizens in harms way and you’re not out there warning them and protecting your own neighbors? No, today I’m out warning everyone that Sköll and Hati are going to devour the sun and the moon… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-neo-nazis-tainted-the-fade-haircut-for-you/794249.md?page=2)