# ''Have scientists been wrong for 400 years?'' This junkmail will tell you. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 18, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134 "2007-10-18T03:11:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/41 "2007-10-18T18:18:45Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] What gets me, is I’m fairly familiar with the bible and I don’t remember anywhere it speaking of the earth necessarily being the center of the solar system/universe? Not only are they way off on the science, but they’re not even getting the bible down right. Or web design, either. [/QUOTE] I’m not that fluent in the Bible. However, the site proclaims (in its Joshua’s Long Day section): > [@Geocentricity](#): > > (snip) > The Bible claims itself inerrant. It either is or it is not. > (snip) Where does it say that? ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/42 "2007-10-18T18:47:56Z")
[QUOTE=Mindfield] I am a bacon, lettuce, tomato and bacon sandwich. With bacon salt. [/QUOTE] Everything is bacon in a **Flandercentric Universe**. By that model, you are a bacon, bacon, bacon, and bacon sandwich with bacon. With all that bacon, no wonder you took a core dump. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/43 "2007-10-18T19:14:09Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] I’m not that fluent in the Bible. However, the site proclaims (in its Joshua’s Long Day section) [/QUOTE] I’ve heard this brought up in the christian community. Why couldn’t this mean God simply stopped the earth’s rotation? Piece of cake for God. And earth is a lot lighter and cooler than the sun, so he wouldn’t have to exert Himself or burn his fingers. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/44 "2007-10-18T19:38:58Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] I’ve heard this brought up in the christian community. Why couldn’t this mean God simply stopped the earth’s rotation? Piece of cake for God. And earth is a lot lighter and cooler than the sun, so he wouldn’t have to exert Himself or burn his fingers. [/QUOTE] Actually, I think that the God they worship is a rather limited one. Like you say, what speaks against an omnipotent deity stopping the rotation of a paltry little speck like ours? Even worse: why would God be constrained by anything the Bible says? After all, the collection of writings that comprise the Bible are readily comprehensible to our tiny intellects; the Universe’s inner workings are far too vast for us to understand completely (IMHO). But that wasn’t actually my question. I wanted to know whether any of this site’s Bible scholars can actually point me to a chapter and verse that speaks about the infallibility of the scriptures themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Belrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@Belrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belrix)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/45 "2007-10-18T19:51:34Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Sure, but in my brain, it’s a-round, like-a this apple. [/QUOTE] It’s flat like this panca-ake. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/46 "2007-10-18T19:54:36Z")
[QUOTE=Belrix] It’s flat like this panca-ake. [/QUOTE] It’s a-round! Like-a my head! ---
**Author:** ![Belrix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed655f/32.png) [@Belrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belrix)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/47 "2007-10-18T20:01:17Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] It’s a-round! Like-a my head! [/QUOTE] _Whack!_ It’s flat, like-a your head. Man, I love that one… ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/48 "2007-10-18T20:58:36Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Where does it say that? [/QUOTE] Wikipedia’s Bibilical Inerrancy article cites [Timothy 2 3:16](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+timothy%203:16-3:16&version=9) > [@](#): > > All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness KJV. QED. ETA: Wonderfully loopy (both meanings meant) reasoning there: the Bible must be the inerrant word of God. Why? Because the Bible says so. But the Bible says something that contradicts our current understanding of the universe. In that case our understanding of the universe must be wrong. Why? Because if not, God is a liar. Why is that? Because the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Why? Because the Bible says so. Rinse and repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/49 "2007-10-18T21:04:19Z")
In their link section, The Holy Bible -\> The Bible Code, they present the case that Hebrew can’t be relied upon as a language because you have to guess which vowels go between the consonants. And sometimes the vowels go before and after the consonants. And sometihmes there can be too vowels because of the blends. So “bt” can be in 19 different forms. They also suggest because the spacing and kerning of Hebrew characters is monotype, it can be read like an acrostic (crossword puzzle), and thus with just consonants, can be read forwards, backwards, vertically, and diaganolly, meaning that more words can be made if you know the code. And since that means knowledge is hidden, Hebrew bibles are occult and you should burn them and only stick with the King James Version. Because that doesn’t include ways to interpret passages differently. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/50 "2007-10-18T21:08:54Z")
[QUOTE=Knowed Out] and only stick with the King James Version. Because that doesn’t include ways to interpret passages differently. [/QUOTE] Even ignoring all the hyperbole about burning things, this bit right here is just stunningly, breathtakingly, jaw-droppingly dumb. Wow. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/51 "2007-10-18T21:22:18Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] Wikipedia’s Bibilical Inerrancy article cites [Timothy 2 3:16](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+timothy%203:16-3:16&version=9)KJV. QED. ETA: Wonderfully loopy (both meanings meant) reasoning there: the Bible must be the inerrant word of God. Why? Because the Bible says so. But the Bible says something that contradicts our current understanding of the universe. In that case our understanding of the universe must be wrong. Why? Because if not, God is a liar. Why is that? Because the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Why? Because the Bible says so. Rinse and repeat. [/QUOTE] This sort of reasoning got life found guilty of failing to be either beautiful or true and confiscated from a courtroom full of people! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/52 "2007-10-18T21:51:46Z")
[QUOTE=Flander] Everything is bacon in a **Flandercentric Universe**. By that model, you are a bacon, bacon, bacon, and bacon sandwich with bacon. With all that bacon, no wonder you took a core dump. [/QUOTE] I DON’T LIKE BACON! ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/53 "2007-10-18T21:56:53Z")
It’s an acquired taste. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/54 "2007-10-18T22:19:50Z")
How about bacon salt? It’s kosher! ---
**Author:** ![wheelie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b4bc9f/32.png) [@wheelie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheelie)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/55 "2007-10-18T22:20:33Z")
[QUOTE=Ludovic] I DON’T LIKE BACON! [/QUOTE] There there. I’ll have your bacon. I’m having bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, baked beans, bacon, bacon, bacon, and bacon. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2007, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/56 "2007-10-18T22:21:02Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] I’m going to post a link on a creationist message board I sometimes visit - see what they make of it… [/QUOTE] OOO! Neato! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2007, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/57 "2007-10-19T22:41:25Z")
[QUOTE=wheelie] There there. I’ll have your bacon. I’m having bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, baked beans, bacon, bacon, bacon, and bacon. [/QUOTE] Well, to be fair, that doesn’t have _much_ bacon in it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2007, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/58 "2007-10-20T00:06:40Z")
[QUOTE=Derleth] “In Your Heart, You Know It’s Flat” :fnord: [/QUOTE] “There’s nothing to Sphere but Sphere Itself.” but Watch Your Step. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134/59 "2007-10-20T00:31:50Z")
[QUOTE=Knowed Out] In their link section, The Holy Bible -\> The Bible Code, they present the case that Hebrew can’t be relied upon as a language because you have to guess which vowels go between the consonants. And sometimes the vowels go before and after the consonants. And sometihmes there can be too vowels because of the blends. So “bt” can be in 19 different forms. They also suggest because the spacing and kerning of Hebrew characters is monotype, it can be read like an acrostic (crossword puzzle), and thus with just consonants, can be read forwards, backwards, vertically, and diaganolly, meaning that more words can be made if you know the code. And since that means knowledge is hidden, Hebrew bibles are occult and you should burn them and only stick with the King James Version. Because that doesn’t include ways to interpret passages differently. [/QUOTE] As someone who spent months studying the bible academically (indeed often using a KJV) and had a minor mental breakdown attempting to write a paper about the book of Job, this makes me twitch. And as someone who, as I was studying the bible, was also studying first Ptolemy then Copernicus, this makes me convulse violently. Excuse me, I’m off to go whimper in a corner about the bad men and unholy perversions of logic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-scientists-been-wrong-for-400-years-this-junkmail-will-tell-you/423134.md?page=2)