# Have the standards of manhood today gone to the dogs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421 "2016-12-23T02:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/181 "2016-12-23T23:11:34Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 'Twas a Freudian slip, no doubt. Oh look, my stalker is back ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/182 "2016-12-23T23:12:08Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > “Bronies” and people who watch MLP are not the same thing. “Bronies” are a specific internet ‘subculture’ that originated on 4chan. > > Not everyone who’s watched the show is necessarily a “Brony”. So how’d you end up whining about people objecting to you calling MLP a kids’ show, when a) no one did, and b) that seems to have nothing to do with the brony/non-brony split adult fans of the show? Then you just went for broke with “MLP is for pussies”. It’s almost like you have no fucking idea what your argument is, beyond saying how great you are. > [@](#): > > And I won’t speak for everyone, but the one guy I met on a film and TV forum who identified as a “Brony” was also a fan of “loli” anime porn, and was trying to convince others that there’s nothing abnormal about adult men wanting to spank it to cartoon pictures of toddler-age girls, and even tried to convince us that this was something that Charles Dickens would have approved of… or something creepy like that. > > Needless to say he was basically ‘excommunicated’ by the members of that website, I think he slithered off back to some Nambla-ish forum after he basically became persona non grata. Sample size of one, very rigorous study. No wonder you talk about math and “universal law” so much, you’re clearly a studious fellow. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/183 "2016-12-23T23:12:36Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > So far the kids here haven’t disappointed anyone on that, I didn’t expect this go to on this long, but apparently this subforum is a haven of butthurt MLP fans, go figure All you successfully demonstrate is your own inability to count and use words consistently. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/184 "2016-12-23T23:13:27Z")
So, we can add “extreme misogynist” to “creationist” on the Calico Jack checklist. That combination doesn’t surprise me in the least. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/185 "2016-12-23T23:13:43Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > So how’d you end up whining about people objecting to you calling MLP a kids’ show, when a) no one did, and b) that seems to have nothing to do with the brony/non-brony split adult fans of the show? > > Then you just went for broke with “MLP is for pussies”. > > It’s almost like you have no fucking idea what your argument is, beyond saying how great you are. In the OP I vaguely mentioned Bronies, then some posters got offended and were arguing basically that it’s critically considered a ‘deep’ show on par with Breaking Bad. Since then I’ve more or less been arguing that that’s bogus, and there aren’t any critics saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/186 "2016-12-23T23:15:07Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So, we can add “extreme misogynist” to “creationist” on the Calico Jack checklist. > > That combination doesn’t surprise me in the least. Not a mysognist at all, I just have enough standards that I wouldn’t marry a woman who talks like an uneducated gutter slut and would probably sleep with any twit who buys her a Happy Meal. Won’t even sleep with a woman like that with no strings attached either, I have self-respect. My girlfriend’s way more lady like than that. In all honestly though, nothing more myognist today than the porn and rauch entertainment industry, which “progressive” males ironically often defend staunchly, probably because they just like the idea of old white corporate media execs encouraging women to be as easy as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/187 "2016-12-23T23:21:24Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Not a mysognist at all, I just have enough standards that I wouldn’t marry a woman who talks like an uneducated gutter slut Comprehensive list of people who call women “sluts” and men “pussies” as an insult: 1.) misogynists. (end of list) ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/188 "2016-12-23T23:22:58Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Not a mysognist at all, I just have enough standards that I wouldn’t marry a woman who talks like an uneducated gutter slut and would probably sleep with any twit who buys her a Happy Meal. > > Won’t even sleep with a woman like that with no strings attached either, I have self-respect. My girlfriend’s way more lady like than that. > > In all honestly though, nothing more myognist today than the porn and rauch entertainment industry, which “progressive” males ironically often defend staunchly, probably because they just like the idea of old white corporate media execs encouraging women to be as easy as possible. If you’re going to keep this character going even semi-believably you’re going to have to learn to spell misogynist, or at least accept the correction your phone suggests. A big hint is that it means woman-hater, so that’s where the middle bit ‘_gyn_’ comes in; you know, like a gynecologist is a woman-parts doctor and a gynotician is a politician who can’t keep their politics out of women’s parts. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/189 "2016-12-23T23:23:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Comprehensive list of people who call women “sluts” and men “pussies” as an insult: > > 1.) misogynists. > > (end of list) Who cares, if being a “misogynist” by your infantile definition makes you more likely to succeed with women, then it can’t be that much of a bad thing. I’m the one who has a classy girlfriend, not a bad mannered fiance who talks like a spoiled with Valley Girl who’s entire vocabulary comes from the Jersey Shore. Guess women tend to prefer men with a little backbone and sense of honor, rather than spineless sycophants, go figure. Not to mention not even knowing what the definition of “creationist” is despite talking to a Buddhist, so you can’t even brag about having big brains or brawn now can you, Mr. Garrison? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/190 "2016-12-23T23:23:49Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Not a mysognist at all, I just have enough standards that I wouldn’t marry a woman who talks like an uneducated gutter slut and would probably sleep with any twit who buys her a Happy Meal. So you _don’t_ want a girl just like the girl that married dear old Dad? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/191 "2016-12-23T23:24:59Z")
Nothing says manly like a post adolescent posting about how fit he is, despite barely lifting, posting random pictures of women, and belittling the interests of other guys. In fact, I’d say talking about how manly one is is the height of being manly. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/192 "2016-12-23T23:26:22Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > In the OP I vaguely mentioned Bronies, then some posters got offended and were arguing basically that it’s critically considered a ‘deep’ show on par with Breaking Bad. _Nobody_ has made that claim. The exact quote was “You might as well claim that being a Breaking Bad fan makes you more likely to cook meth.” and that is the _only_ way Breaking Bad was mentioned. He could just as easily have said that watching Dexter would make you more likely to kill serial killers, or watching Psych would make you more likely to become a fake psychic for a police department, or watching Spongebob Squarepants would make you more likely to seek a career in the fast food industry. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/193 "2016-12-23T23:27:27Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > _Nobody_ has made that claim. The exact quote was “You might as well claim that being a Breaking Bad fan makes you more likely to cook meth.” and that is the _only_ way Breaking Bad was mentioned. He could just as easily have said that watching Dexter would make you more likely to kill serial killers, or watching Psych would make you more likely to become a fake psychic for a police department, or watching Spongebob Squarepants would make you more likely to seek a career in the fast food industry. So point out where I said MLP makes you more likely to rape horses or whatever he was equating that with then, or find something else like “misogyny” or “creationism” to derail the thread with if that’s your thing. ---
**Author:** ![Waxwinged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@Waxwinged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waxwinged)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/194 "2016-12-23T23:27:32Z")
Meh. Can’t get on board of this pitting. There are plenty of real men around- and, like in the days of yore, they have better things to do than to seek others’ approval of their manliness. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/195 "2016-12-23T23:28:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Nothing says manly like a post adolescent posting about how fit he is, despite barely lifting, posting random pictures of women, and belittling the interests of other guys. In fact, I’d say talking about how manly one is is the height of being manly. Not to mention belittling how classless other mens’ fiances are, how on earth did you miss that? ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/196 "2016-12-23T23:30:46Z")
> [@Waxwinged](#): > > Meh. Can’t get on board of this pitting. There are plenty of real men around- and, like in the days of yore, they have better things to do than to seek others’ approval of their manliness. Pretty sure the thread was about how manliness on average is declining today, not about me being the most manly man in existence. Sorry that you took it that way, I’m not the most manly man in the world, but I try to improve instead of just not caring at all like so many people do. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/197 "2016-12-23T23:31:52Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Pretty sure the thread was about how manliness on average is declining today, not about me being the most manly man in existence. Sorry that you took it that way, I’m not the most manly man in the world, but I try to improve instead of just not caring at all like so many people do. I’ve got it, he’s Gaston!! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/198 "2016-12-23T23:34:39Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Pretty sure the thread was about how manliness on average is declining today, not about me being the most manly man in existence. Well, arguably, it’s about your _claim_ that this is happening, but you lack sufficient credibility and have not brought forth sufficient facts in support. Then the rest of the thread was people ridiculing you for your efforts which if sincere are childish, and if insincere are obvious. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/199 "2016-12-23T23:36:42Z")
1: Serious part of the post > [@Waxwinged](#): > > Meh. Can’t get on board of this pitting. There are plenty of real men around- and, like in the days of yore, they have better things to do than to seek others’ approval of their manliness. Thank you, well put. 2: Snark > [@](#): > > **Have the standards of manhood today gone to the dogs?** Well good heavens I hope not. Or at least that you pick carefully which dogs. Have you seen a Bichon Frise or a Shih Tzu at the Kennel Club Show? Not very manly! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/200 "2016-12-23T23:36:59Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Not to mention belittling how classless other mens’ fiances are, how on earth did you miss that? Of course. Why not belittle the significant others of strangers with misogynistic slurs? Nothing more manly than that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421.md?page=11)