# Have the standards of manhood today gone to the dogs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421 "2016-12-23T02:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/261 "2016-12-25T04:23:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > His response was typical for a liberal. As was yours. This is such a typical response from an utterly clueless person. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/262 "2016-12-25T15:48:35Z")
I don’t need my manhood explained to me by the OP or anyone else, thank you very much. I already have a firm grasp of it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/263 "2016-12-25T16:04:53Z")
> [@vinyl turnip](#): > > i don’t need my manhood explained to me by the op or anyone else, thank you very much. I already have a firm grasp of it. Too much info! ---
**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/264 "2016-12-25T16:41:57Z")
Opinions. I notice they seem to be followed often by hatred, judgements, condescending remarks and wild assumptions about a person based on any specific opinion. I get what OP is driving at, I also get it’s just a perspective like any other. I make no further judgements nor do I really give a crap if I or anyone else fits his definitions or anyone else’s for that matter. Maybe some here shouldn’t take opinions so personally, you might live a happier life. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/265 "2016-12-25T17:27:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s posts like this that I have to point at and laugh. It is such a predictable response from a lib. It doesn’t matter that the OP was right. It doesn’t matter that I agreed with him. What matters is that I wrote a response and because of that, you promptly piped up and made a fucking idiot out of yourself with a response better suited to a 5 year old throwing a tantrum in a sandbox. I’ve said essentially this about another conservative on this board before… I forget who it was… but the fact of the matter is that politically, there are probably more things I have in common with you than many of the “libs”. That does not mean you are not a fucktard. Your ability, or lack thereof, to express yourself in a reasonable, educated, well researched manner makes it harder for the minority of other conservatives (or less liberal cuz on this board if you are anywhere right of Karl Marx, you are an oppressive racist Karl Rove type) with legitimate reasonable information to pass. There are many fine intelligent non-“lib” posters on this board. **Bricker** being an obvious choice and, imho, the finest poster on the board even though, again, on some points we don’t agree philosophically. **Shodan** is another and has actually come a long long way towards one of the better conservative voices on the board. You would not be in that group, not by a far sight. Up your fucking game. You are an embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/266 "2016-12-25T18:11:51Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Opinions. I notice they seem to be followed often by hatred, judgements, condescending remarks and wild assumptions about a person based on any specific opinion. I get what OP is driving at, I also get it’s just a perspective like any other. I make no further judgements nor do I really give a crap if I or anyone else fits his definitions or anyone else’s for that matter. > > Maybe some here shouldn’t take opinions so personally, you might live a happier life. This is a subversive opinion. You can’t say that on here. It violates the prime directive. Agents of correction will be in touch. Happy Holidays. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/267 "2016-12-25T21:09:53Z")
The OP sounds like the type of guy who sits down to pee, and it still dribbles down his sack into the bowl, drinks diet soda with his Kale salad box and has to call AAA to fix a flat on his Kia. > [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > 1. Obesity, sure it’s a problem for women too, but in just a few decades we’ve gone from the greatest generation who defeated the Nazis in WWII, to a nation of obese fools who can’t even see their own penises, and would probably get a hernia from having to walk to the mailbox. The only time I have trouble seeing my dick is when it’s being obscured by the top of your Mom’s head. Merry Christmas! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/268 "2016-12-26T00:03:32Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Opinions. I notice they seem to be followed often by hatred, judgements, condescending remarks and wild assumptions about a person based on any specific opinion. I get what OP is driving at, I also get it’s just a perspective like any other. Well, sure, but in this case it’s a \*lousy \*perspective and as such one that elicits much derision. Something being an “opinion” does not preclude others from having ther own contrary opinion or their own negative opinion about how the Original Opinion was expressed (and that applies to my own, of course). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/269 "2016-12-26T03:18:38Z")
All right you metrosexual neutered and spayed, time for our manliness calisthenics. Ready? Begin! Scratch, belch, gimme a beer! Scratch, belch, gimme a…Hey, you! **Vinny**! Step away from the brie!..Scratch! Belch! Gimme a beer… ---
**Author:** ![SantaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@SantaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SantaMan)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/270 "2016-12-26T04:43:33Z")
Dude, I think you are a bit late to the party… ['Real Men Don’t Eat Quiche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Men_Don't_Eat_Quiche) ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/271 "2016-12-26T05:03:44Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > This might be a little too cynical, but my overall impression is that the standards of manhood in modern day America have dropped to abysmal levels. As a millennial I’m pretty disgusted by what I see passing for hunkie dorie behavior from males, even including Baby Boomers, just plenty of examples off the top of my head: 1. Join date 2. I don’t know any of the men you do. I am a 62 year old woman who taught engineers. I am also the mother and mother-in-law of sons and the auntie of many, many nephews none of which fit your hypothesis. Why are you hanging with such lowlifes? For everyone of your losers I raise you at least 5 awesome guys. 3. Crawl back under your rock. ---
**Author:** ![CoastalMaineiac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@CoastalMaineiac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoastalMaineiac)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/272 "2016-12-27T01:12:04Z")
A real man makes no bones about what he does in his leisure time. He does what he enjoys, and gives no fucks what other men (real or otherwise) or women say or think about his hobbies. A real man recognizes that our time alive on this rock is too short to give any damns about what people think, and just lives his life in whatever way suits his fancy, because the worms do not care whether the carcass upon which they feast met some arbitrary standard of manliness or not, and all men, “real” or not meet with the same fate in the end. So, Calico Jack, I have but one more thing to add, which is to tell you what I think of the molds you think people should fit. …/´¯/) …,/¯…/ …/…/ …/´¯/’…’/´¯¯`·¸ …/’/…/…/…/¨¯ …(’(…´…´… ¯~/’…’) …’…/ …’’… \_.·´ …( … ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/273 "2016-12-27T01:33:22Z")
you know I sent the op to a female friend and she read it and said either 1 its really a woman writing this and parodying a "real mans thinking 2 hes gay or 3 its both one and 2 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/274 "2016-12-27T02:08:22Z")
Meh. Real men do all sorts of stupid shit and awesome shit, just like real gingers and real Ethiopians and real southpaws. The link between genitalia and behavioral ideals is some serious dumb shit. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/275 "2016-12-27T02:20:39Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > you know I sent the op to a female friend and she read it and said either 1 its really a woman writing this and parodying a "real mans thinking 2 hes gay or 3 its both one and 2 [Gender Guesser](http://www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.php) says pretty much the same thing: > [@](#): > > Genre: Informal > Female = 1328 > Male = 1520 > Difference = 192; 53.37% > Verdict: Weak MALE > > Weak emphasis could indicate European. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/276 "2016-12-27T14:31:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Those libs are all so dumb! It’s not like a smart and honest person could ever disagree with you, right? You don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter what the content of the post is, all that matters is that it was posted by a conservative. The reaction is always the same: namecalling like spoiled brat children and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/277 "2016-12-27T14:32:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter what the content of the post is, all that matters is that it was posted by a conservative. The reaction is always the same: namecalling like spoiled brat children and nothing more. I know! It’s not like the Dope ever has reasonable and thoughtful discussions between conservatives and liberals. That’d be totally insane. All libs are dumb dishonest spoiled brat children, including myself and all the liberal veterans I served with. We’re so dumb and dishonest and spoiled! ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/278 "2016-12-27T15:01:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter what the content of the post is, all that matters is that it was posted by a conservative. The reaction is always the same: namecalling like spoiled brat children and nothing more. Actually, I rarely get name-called even when I say positive things about The Donald … it not what a conservative says … it’s how they say it … you need to work a little more with this English language thingy … you’re not using it correctly it appears … ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/279 "2016-12-27T15:11:58Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Hands up if you are a woman and find the OP’s rant “sexy”… _nails hand to the floor_ I gotta wonder why anybody gives a shit these days about what it means to be a good ‘‘man’’ or ‘‘woman’’ when they could just dispense with the pointless trappings of gendered expectations and focus on being a good person. I realize that’s not as highly rewarded in society. It’s not that I have overwhelming respect for people with no motivation or utility or compassion, it’s that the lack of respect has nothing whatsoever to do with gender. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/280 "2016-12-27T15:20:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter what the content of the post is, all that matters is that it was posted by a conservative. The reaction is always the same: namecalling like spoiled brat children and nothing more. I’m willing to give you the benefit of a doubt that this happens in some cases, but the idea that it’s some kind of Straight Dope tradition is fucking preposterous. Some people present their contrary opinions in the most abrasive, irritating, disrespectful ways imaginable, and those are the ones that get shit on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421.md?page=15)