# Have the standards of manhood today gone to the dogs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421 "2016-12-23T02:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/121 "2016-12-23T17:32:07Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > If stating a pretty common sense fact that MLP is intended just to be a fun show for younger audiences, not some profound intellectual analysis of the human psyche like Breaking Bad or whatever ends up ‘trolling’ some people, then maybe they should seek professional counseling. Well, I think then that you make more out of Breaking Bad than it really was. It was just, at its base, a fun showing of what would happen if a naive middle aged dude got involved in the drug trade. It’s a stupid fictional show. No more, no less culturally or historically relevant than My Little Pony or Dragnet or the Jack Benny Show or whatever those young hipster hoodlums are into these days. Breaking Bad was just a fucking television show. Are you Vince Gilligan? Are you a Whitehead? Are you fetishizing a fictional television series for your own sexual gratification? Is this whole three-page macho schpiel some roundabout cover of legitimizing your obsessive sexual fetishism of Walter White, your own dick and 70’s men’s magazines to a bunch of strangers who really don’t give much of a fuck who you smack little Jimmy behind the head to? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/122 "2016-12-23T17:33:43Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > worthy of being studied in post-graduate philosophy schools alongside Plato’s symposium… sure… Huh, from your OP, I didn’t figure you’d think a philosophical treatise on the superiority of hot man-love would be some sort of exemplar of studyworthiness. Aah, well, whatever does it for you, Jack… ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/123 "2016-12-23T17:36:32Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Well, I think then that you make more out of Breaking Bad than it really was. It was just, at its base, a fun showing of what would happen if a naive middle aged dude got involved in the drug trade. It’s a stupid fictional show. No more, no less culturally or historically relevant than My Little Pony or Dragnet or the Jack Benny Show or whatever those young hipster hoodlums are into these days. Breaking Bad was just a fucking television show. I didn’t bring it up, someone else here compared MLP to Breaking Bad, but couldn’t find any critics who agreed. I’m pretty sure the woman who created the show was just trying to create a fun show for kids anyway and never intended for some ‘subculture’ to develop on 4chan dedicated to analyzing it that deeply either. > [@](#): > > Are you Vince Gilligan? Are you a Whitehead? Are you fetishizing a fictional television series for your own sexual gratification? Is this whole three-page macho schpiel some roundabout cover of legitimizing your obsessive sexual fetishism of Walter White, your own dick and 70’s men’s magazines to a bunch of strangers who really don’t give much of a fuck who you smack little Jimmy behind the head to? Yawn, stay with the program, I didn’t bring up Breaking Bad, it’s not even my favorite show, a little too dark and nihilistic. Others here were arguing that MLP was comparable to Breaking Bad, I just said that’s pretty ridiculous and that no serious critics have argued that. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Huh, from your OP, I didn’t figure you’d think a philosophical treatise on the superiority of hot man-love would be some sort of exemplar of studyworthiness. Aah, well, whatever does it for you, Jack… I’m not interested in your homoerotic fantasizes, though at least I hope they don’t involve ponies, or Ronald McDonald, or things of that nature. Amazing how many schoolchildren can’t just own up to the fact that they enjoy a silly kid’s show, I happily admit I like Looney Tunes because watching Bugs clobber Elmer Fudd is funny, not because I’m undertaking some deep existentialist study into the hidden meaning behind “hey, what’s up Doc” or crap like that. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/124 "2016-12-23T17:40:22Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Are you perhaps mixing up CS Lewis and Lewis Carroll? Back in my day, real men knew the difference! not like these pansy-wansy boy-children today who can’t even identify famous authors… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/125 "2016-12-23T17:40:53Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am not really sure it is a troll. It is too much of a faggoty, artless dumbfuck to be an actual troll. [Moderating] Don’t call other posters “faggots.” This is a formal warning. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/126 "2016-12-23T17:42:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > _And I like something I can wrap around my cock_. Not a hard concept; titwanks are awesome and very hard to do effectively if you’re smaller than a DD cup. > > Based on what? How does that even make sense? Did you watch that stupid Rucka Rucka Ali parody and take it as gospel truth? > > Again, _based on what_? > > Seriously, if you want to take a moment to fight some ignorance, spend a moment and just watch a few episodes from the show. “Lesson Zero”, maybe, or “Swarm of the Century”. You’re calling out a massive group of people bound together by exactly one quality: they enjoy a really good TV show. \*\*You might as well claim that being a Breaking Bad fan makes you more likely to cook meth. \*\*It’s stupid and prejudiced and based on nothing. Seasons 1 and 2 of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic hold up really, really well. Like, “worth mentioning in the same sentence as Avatar: The Last Airbender and Gravity Falls” well. Why do you feel the need to judge a large group of people you clearly know next to nothing about? > > Actually, I’d say dehumanizing people for interests or fetishes they possess that cause no harm whatsoever makes someone less of a human. But that’s just my opinion. Bolding mine, This was the first mention of Breaking Bad. It’s only a comparison in the sense that both MLP and Breaking Bad are television shows, and that watching them indicates nothing about your life or habits, as far as I can see. Then YOU responded with MLP is no Breaking Bad. So the “comparison” was yours. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/127 "2016-12-23T17:45:47Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > …some profound intellectual analysis of the human psyche like Breaking Bad… > [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > …I didn’t bring up Breaking Bad, it’s not even my favorite show, a little too dark and nihilistic. Real men don’t fold like this that quickly. Fucking pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/128 "2016-12-23T17:46:13Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Bolding mine, This was the first mention of Breaking Bad. It’s only a comparison in the sense that both MLP and Breaking Bad are television shows, and that watching them indicates nothing about your life or habits, as far as I can see. Then YOU responded with MLP is no Breaking Bad. So the “comparison” was yours. Except I never said that watching MLP makes you more likely to… molest horses or anything of that nature. I just implied that a single adult male who spends his free time writing erotic fan-fiction about underage cartoon ponies, or who ‘identifies’ more with a quirky children’s show that he likes than any of his real life accomplishments or relationships, might be a tad lacking in manhood. And yes, you could say the thing about overzealous ‘fans’ in general, whether MLP fans or Philadephila Eagles fans. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/129 "2016-12-23T17:46:55Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Cool story bro… I just hope by female companionship you don’t mean “anime pillows” > > [https://cdn.techinasia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ItaspoTemple.jpg](https://cdn.techinasia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ItaspoTemple.jpg) > > Plus there’s a difference between “liking My Little Pony” and “being a Brony” anyway… Hey, if you are going to reference MLP and body pillows, at least [do it right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXyWJrRFpk0)! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/130 "2016-12-23T17:48:21Z")
Accidental double post. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/131 "2016-12-23T17:49:15Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Real men don’t fold like this that quickly. Fucking pussy. I bet you get lots of pony poon don’t you Macho Man? Or are you more of a Curious George type of guy? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/132 "2016-12-23T17:50:13Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > I didn’t bring it up, someone else here compared MLP to Breaking Bad, but couldn’t find any critics who agreed. > > I’m pretty sure the woman who created the show was just trying to create a fun show for kids anyway and never intended for some ‘subculture’ to develop on 4chan dedicated to analyzing it that deeply either. > Yawn, stay with the program, I didn’t bring up Breaking Bad, it’s not even my favorite show, a little too dark and nihilistic. > > Others here were arguing that MLP was comparable to Breaking Bad, I just said that’s pretty ridiculous and that no serious critics have argued that. > I’m not interested in your homoerotic fantasizes, though at least I hope they don’t involve ponies, or Ronald McDonald, or things of that nature. > > Amazing how many schoolchildren can’t just own up to the fact that they enjoy a silly kid’s show, I happily admit I like Looney Tunes because watching Bugs clobber Elmer Fudd is funny, not because I’m undertaking some deep existentialist study into the hidden meaning behind “hey, what’s up Doc” or crap like that. Do you ever find yourself commenting and arguing at length about things of such little consequence that people around you just get bored and start wandering off or praying for the quick release of death, and not their own? ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/133 "2016-12-23T17:50:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Accidental double post. Well that certainly does help make the atheist case for their being a lack of intelligent design in the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/134 "2016-12-23T17:51:51Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Do you ever find yourself commenting and arguing at length about things of such little consequence that people around you just get bored and start wandering off or praying for the quick release of death, and not their own? If it was of little consequences to people then why did 4-5 different posters show up cherry picking that one little sentence about “Bronies” just to go off on rants about how ‘deep’ a show it really is and how Bronies are misunderstood or something? I doubt anyone who hasn’t heard of 4chan even knows that ‘Bronies’ exist to begin with. All I can say is that if the core of a person’s ‘identity’ is based around a cartoon they watch, and they’re so fragile that they can’t bear the fact that most people aren’t going to think that watching a cartoon written for young girls is “manly” then they really need to do something meaningful with their life, instead of indulging in self-masturbatory fantasizes about how ‘persecuted and misunderstood’ Bronies are, like a hyperemotional ‘Goth kid’ just entering his freshmasn year of high school ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/135 "2016-12-23T17:52:50Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > I bet you get lots of pony poon don’t you Macho Man? Or are you more of a Curious George type of guy? Your mother doesn’t seem to mind giving up the pony poon. though she is more hairy like Curious George. So pick your trope. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/136 "2016-12-23T17:53:00Z")
_yawn_… sorry… wat? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/137 "2016-12-23T17:53:43Z")
**Calico Jack** , you’re in your 20s and I’m 71, yet I feel like you’ve been chasing me off your lawn. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/138 "2016-12-23T17:55:32Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Your mother doesn’t seem to mind giving up the pony poon. though she is more hairy like Curious George. So pick your trope. Wow your taste is worse than I thought… > [@panache45](#): > > **Calico Jack** , you’re in your 20s and I’m 71, yet I feel like you’ve been chasing me off your lawn. Yeah I get that a lot… Regardless this thread isn’t about “Bronies” or “MLP”, some hypersenstive fans of the show just sidetracked it because they couldn’t bear the thought that people don’t think MLP is a “manly show”… but who does think that anyway? ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/139 "2016-12-23T17:56:22Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Wow your taste is worse than I thought… > Yeah I get that a lot… That’s what your mother said. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-the-standards-of-manhood-today-gone-to-the-dogs/775421/140 "2016-12-23T17:57:51Z")
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