# Have You Gotten Any Hostility For Wearing (Or Not Wearing) A Mask? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 3, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165 "2020-08-03T14:54:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Pheonix1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pheonix1/32/4236_2.png) [@Pheonix1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pheonix1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/222 "2020-08-14T13:07:44Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > You don’t have to wear a mask in the pool but, because of their need to “sanitize” the hours are limited so you will probaby have to share a lane. Right? Because this is such an excellent time to share a lane. Around here, many of the gyms and pools are doing appointments. So no, they aren’t sharing lanes. There’s less people allowed in at a time. That’s basically the answer to all your objections. A proper opening plan includes some social distancing in open venues. You wear a mask when you’re not at your socially distanced spot in the venue. Masks are obviously not vital to get numbers down despite the American propaganda war to the contrary. Most of Europe past their peak before the world changed its mind on them. But they probably help some and every little bit helps to lower the transmission rate. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/223 "2020-08-14T14:32:44Z")
Also, the mask mandate in many states did not align with the original shutdown. Here in North Carolina, I remember going to grocery stores when the stay-at-home order was first put in place and seeing very few people wearing masks. (It also took my workplace months to decide that face coverings should be worn in common areas, and that still isn’t being enforced.) ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/224 "2020-08-14T15:27:44Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I did not mean to delete this post. What, we can’t edit? I restored you post. I also fixed the typo. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/225 "2020-08-14T16:14:31Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > There you go. This is a good plan! Particularly with car accidents as they are usually the fault of both drivers, although not in equal parts, and are 95% avoidable with defensive driving. That may be the worst argument against wearing seatbelts I’ve ever seen. ‘Car accidents never ever happen to people who are good drivers, thus X.’ > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Why??? Refusing to wear a mask is reckless endangerment if there’s any chance at all you’ve got this pandemic. And if you’ve spent any time at all in the presence of humans in the past two weeks, there’s a chance you’ve got this pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/226 "2020-08-14T18:06:31Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > It looked like we could edit. Just like the old board, you can edit for a few minutes after posting, then you can’t any more. And I’m with the crowd on this one. Masking is for protecting others more than it is for protecting yourself – although it does help with that as well. That you are refusing to put up with the inconvenience/discomfort of doing that for your fellow man makes me think less of you. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/227 "2020-08-14T18:17:25Z")
I’m pretty sure **Hilarity** has stated somewhere that (s)he does actually wear a mask, FWIW. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/228 "2020-08-14T18:18:41Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I didn’t say I didn’t wear a mask where they are required. This is kind of insulting actually. The point is to wear a mask whenever you are around other people, whether they are “required” or not. Because some government officials have fought requiring them where they should be required. What’s insulting is your denial that someone refusing to wear a mask can lead to someone else’s death. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > I say they are not doing much good. And yet where mask wearing is compliant, infection and death rates are down. Where compliance is down, infections and deaths are up. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > And if I get the virus from an asymptomatic person and remain asymptomatic, so fucking what? What about the person you spread it to? Can you ensure they remain asymptomatic? Can you ensure they won’t die? > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > People do die of other things, all the time. I’m sorry to hear that, but what does that have to do with this conversation? “People die from cancer all the time, so why can’t I dink and drive?” > [@Asuka](#): > > The fact you have multiple people claiming that there’s been no Coronavirus uptick from protests is simply absurd Which people are claiming this here? We are not Twitter. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > No; what I was saying is that people are going to die of various things no matter what. We’re all gonna die. There’s zillions of things that could get you, but now everybody is focused on this one thing, which statistically is very unlikely to kill you. You said it was hyper paranoia. But people are spreading the disease by not wearing masks, and lots of people _are_ dying from it. That’s not paranoia, that’s fact. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > So all this makes it look like the mask is just theater. Something you wear for show, in the grocery store. Because in the grocery store you’re much more likely to be contagious than if you’re in a restaurant or in the gym. Right? I solve that problem by not eating in restaurants, not working out in gyms, and not going swimming. Because I’m smarter than the Republican officials who think opening everything up is safe. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Seatbelts drive me crazy. If I’m alone in my car I don’t wear one. That’s fine with me. Not wearing your seatbelt only puts you at risk. > [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Then why didn’t it go away when all these things were closed? People were wearing masks then, at least to the grocery store. And the grocery store was the only thing open. 1. Spreading was on the uptick. Response to mitigation is a lag effect, it takes time to kick in. 2. Mandatory masks in grocery stores was not widespread, and not enforced. 3. Governors raced to reopen before the spread was contained. They violated the coronavirus panel guidelines and reopened as fast as possible. 4. Places like New York were stricter on masks and closed longer, and they got their numbers down. Yes, there is a bit of mask theater, but it’s not from the doctors, it’s from the politicians. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/229 "2020-08-14T19:55:23Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Just like the old board, you can edit for a few minutes after posting, then you can’t any more. And if you try to edit the post just goes away? Where it goes into something for…how many days? What? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/230 "2020-08-15T02:28:58Z")
> [@DorkVader](#): > > Required a stern talking to from the TMO before they would comply. Yep, masks are now part of our contract with the military. What’s a TMO? or is that TMI? 🙃 And, in the future, could you tell us what it means before using the initialism? We don’t necessarily know the jargon you do. thanks. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/231 "2020-08-15T03:17:50Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Kind of a interesting psych experiment in social pressure. I wonder what percentage of people either wearing or not-wearing cause people to change their behavior? It reminds me of the [Milgram Experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). If only people could instantly see the pain and distress they are causing as they did in Milgram with the shocks. Then at least some of them would back down and wear a mask. But as Milgram shows us, some would still continue to cause obvious harm to others if social pressure was exerted on them. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/232 "2020-08-15T04:59:04Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > That may be the worst argument against wearing seatbelts I’ve ever seen. ‘Car accidents never ever happen to people who are good drivers, thus X.’ Hey, wear the seatbelt. What I’m saying is that most accidents are preventable. Like 95% of them. Do that, wear your seatbelt as well, if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/233 "2020-08-15T05:07:17Z")
Wouldn’t swimming be ok? I mean as long as its not just wall to wall people…in which case I wouldn’t go anyway. Outside, sunshine, chlorine? ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/234 "2020-08-15T05:13:09Z")
[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/parks-rec/aquatic-venues.html](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/parks-rec/aquatic-venues.html) According to CDC, swimming is safe with these precautions. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/235 "2020-08-15T05:37:47Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > What I’m saying is that most accidents are preventable. Like 95% of them. Do that, wear your seatbelt as well, if you want. They may be preventable, but not necessarily by you. Millions of people drive while drowsy or drunk or high. They could prevent accidents by not doing those things, but you have no say in the matter. You also have no control over other drivers’ road rage, dementia, seizure, confusion, or distractions. They shouldn’t be on the road, but they are. Nor will they always give you time to react. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/236 "2020-08-15T05:49:33Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Hey, wear the seatbelt. What I’m saying is that most accidents are preventable. Like 95% of them. Do that, wear your seatbelt as well, if you want. I’ve been rear-ended while stopped 3 times. Once at a stoplight, once stopped for pedestrians in a crosswalk (who’d be dead now had I not been there), and once in stopped freeway traffic. 95% of accidents are preventable, but not necessarily by you. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/237 "2020-08-15T16:38:20Z")
Oops, sorry, 🤦TMO is Transportation and Movement Office/Officer. They set the rules (within a defined framework) for the base they work at and coordinate Permant Change of Station moves. There will often be a TMO that will actually go to a home and physically check on a move at least once (usually during packing phase in my experience). I’m not sure if it is entirely civilian staffed or not, but I’ve never seen a TMO that was a current military member, even though I beleive they are a division of the TMO that handles the movement of military units to and from various parts of the world. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/238 "2020-08-15T16:51:17Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > And if you try to edit the post just goes away? Where it goes into something for…how many days? Not that I’m aware of. It’s just that the pencil icon disappears so there’s nothing left to click on to change the post any more. Perhaps if you have it up editing it and the time expires something weird happens. I’ll check. Edit 1, Two minutes later. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/239 "2020-08-15T17:08:46Z")
Nope. I brought up the edit screen again right after Edit 1, waited until fifteen minutes passed, and tried another edit. The software refused to post it, stating too much time had elapsed. Refreshing the page made the edit icon disappear. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/240 "2020-08-17T01:19:16Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I was at a festival this past weekend being held at a park. There was an anti- suicide group there collecting donations and holding raffle door prizes and such, which was the reason I was there. There were a couple of decent local bands playing, food, beer, etc… A festival. > > There were a couple thousand in attendance with 98% not wearing masks. > > One of the group volunteers came up to me and told me I was making others in the volunteer pavilion uncomfortable by wear a mask while they weren’t. > > “Sucks to be them. I am not going 6 months avoiding that crap only to get it because I volunteered my time. And It happens to be the law and I’m an off duty law enforcement officer. How would it look if I flouted the law?” > > She backed off. But what fucking nerve, huh? You know you did the right thing. The vaunting irony of many people wanting to gather and focus their energies in the cause of suicide prevention _and in doing so create a situation where many could die_ is not lost on me. The balls involved in walking up to someone taking precautions and trying to use peer pressure to make them STOP taking precautions? Please. That’s up there with, " Real men don’t use rubbers. " ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165/241 "2020-08-17T01:24:55Z")
> [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](#): > > Oh, my foolproof way to not spread the virus is to not get it in the first place. Given where I am, I am 99% unlikely to get it. > > So here’s the thing about masks. You wear one when you go into the restaurant, but when you sit down you can take it off, because now you’re magically unable to spread the virus (in the extremely unlikely event that you have it). > > You go to the gym and you have to wear a mask when you check in but you don’t have to wear it while exercising. Because now, once again, you are magically unable to spread it. > > You don’t have to wear a mask in the pool but, because of their need to “sanitize” the hours are limited so you will probaby have to share a lane. Right? Because this is such an excellent time to share a lane. And I mean sure, you can’t wear a mask in the pool because you’d drown. > > So all this makes it look like the mask is just theater. Something you wear for show, in the grocery store. Because in the grocery store you’re much more likely to be contagious than if you’re in a restaurant or in the gym. Right? ALL of this. Every single accommodation to the truth of using a good mask is in response to economics. And to personal comfort. Not to infection rates or deaths or anything else. The lunacy involved in wearing a mask while waiting in line to buy a beer and then yanking it down so you can enjoy it- shoulder to shoulder with strangers on the sidewalk - is numbing. This isn’t anecdotal. It happens every single night around the corner from me. It’s happening as I type this. In New York City. In Astoria. On one of the main avenues chock-a-block filled with bars. Many of whom serve out their windows in plastic cups. Except that this isn’t theater. And while numbers are down, people are still dying of this. Wait till October 15th when all hell has broken loose again… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-gotten-any-hostility-for-wearing-or-not-wearing-a-mask/917165.md?page=13)