Have you had any experiences with Christian Science?

If you step off a tenth story balcony, you are screwed.

CS says that what appears as the physical world is actually a spiritual creation. It does exist but not as most people percieve it through the lens of their beliefs.

The purpose of this exercise is not known to us, but we can improve our experience while we are here by loving our neighbor as ourself, etc. not rendering evil for evil, overcoming evil with good, and so on as set out by Jesus, and healing the sick and seeking the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 4

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

I just hope you’ve understood that your view is set up in a way that it is untestable and self fulfilling, so that no matter what happens your belief will be reaffirmed and never challenged. This doesnt mean it is correct, however, and doesnt necessarily mean it is wrong. I just think it is something you should realize.

You’ve taken all of our normal experiences and explained them with some complicated theory which … somewhat… matches our experiences. I prefer to ignore all of the abstract thoughts and go with a more common sense view of what happens.
May I ask what were to happen if instead of falling off the roof a person were to have punched you to break that bone? I know you cant directly answer it, but what do you expect?

Even more self-diagnosis by an amateur. As with the case of your supposed heart condition followed by your supposed heart attack, the “healing” is nothing but uneducated supposition on your part, and it is impossible for us to determine whether or not you were healed of anything, or even if you had anything dire that actually needed great healing in the first place. Was there an occasion where a doctor diagnosed you with a certain condition, a healing took place, then a doctor said that you now were free of this condition?

Somehow a user name of MICRDICK doesn’t suggest God is very generous with handing out body parts.

Mark Twain wrote a book about Christian Science:

Before I retired I ran a company that made microprocessor based controllers for high speed bank check sorters. The sorters read the characters on the bottoms of checks magnetically at high speed (150 inches per second typically) by passing them past a magnet and then decoding the waveform created as the characters passed a read head.

The technology was called Magnetic Ink Character Recognition - MICR. The company was MICR Automation. Since images became the standard method of interchange, sorters are obsolete.

I agree that there is no way to test CS, but I do believe that conditions I personally have handled with it would have been diagnosed as what I thought they were.

There are untold thousands of recorded healings of well diagnosed conditions in the CS literature. If anyone wants to read more about it, I recommend Spiritual Healing In A Scientific Age by Peel. It is available as a used book on Amazon. Read from page 16 to the end of the chapter and then read the story starting on page 54 for a quick take.

When it first started in the 1800’s, medical technology was often worse than the disease, and CS grew rapidly. With today’s technology, the need has diminished dramatically.

However, there is still the aspect of connecting with God in a very meaningful way. It has been very rewarding to me.

Before I got into it, I had not been in a church for decades and religious practice was not remotely part of my life. The healing experience was so amazing and uplifting that I decided to pursue a study of it.

Well, that explains your user name.

There’s no way to test any religion as long as you can’t falsify it. No matter what your “god” does or doesn’t do, you will have a reason or excuse that cannot be disproved.

I have no doubt these exist in “CS literature.” Fairy stories exist in the Bible, too, as well as Grimm’s. Doesn’t make them true. Now, how many “recorded healings of well diagnosed conditions” can you find in peer-reviewed, respectable medical journals, where rigorous proof is expected?

Maybe you should read some Mark Twain for amusement.

This has no bearing on your ability to diagnose medical conditions.

Who are you supposedly agreeing with? It is very easy to test CS-Professional medical diagnosis before and after CS treatment. And once again, your personal diagnosis is of no use to us in this matter.

Religious writings by true believers don’t help, and the plural of “anecdote” isn’t “evidence”. Are there any non-biased studies by medical professionals available?

I’m so glad I was raised Catholic.

Why?

They have hospitals.

I didn’t have to deal with this nonsense, duh. Plus Catholic schools don’t teach this bullshit.
(Basically, it was a joke, son)

Whatever bullshit turns you on, floats your boat, flies your flag.

[foghorn leghorn]I say, I say, I say, it was a joke, Son![/FL]

I feel it isn’t fair to leave MICRDICK on the firing line alone, but I’ve been around these boards long enough to know that almost anything I post about my faith will be dismissed as “fairy stories”.

I have been a practicing Christian Scientist, with varying levels of commitment and activity in church for just about 30 years. My mother rejected the religion, but her parents, and two older generations of my family have practiced Christian Science.

I go to dentists, started wearing glasses last year, and have seen physicians for conditions that weren’t responding to my own prayer in a way that I found acceptable. The important thing to know is that, as far as the church “rules” go, each individual is responsible only to himself. A member who chooses to see a doctor is not shunned, excommunicated, or in any way censured. That is not to say there won’t be someone at church who will wrinkle her nose at me if I show up with a cast on.

I personally have had healings of a number of things that were never medically diagnosed including cold type symptoms, something that I suspect (based on discussing my experience with my sister, who is not a Christian Scientist) was kidney stones, and very quick relief of pain from assorted injuries.

My son was healed in the span of time between waking up and time to get on the school bus of pink-eye. He’s had any number of healings. He also asked one time when he injured his foot (sprain, not wound) to see a doctor. I didn’t hesitate to take him. He’s old enough to make his own choice. She told us it was sprained, not broken. She wrote him a note for two weeks excused from participating in gym, and said he should be careful of it until if felt normal. He was back on his skateboard a day later assuring me that it felt perfectly fine.

Early in the history of Christian Science a larger percentage of the accounts of healings published were of things that had been medically diagnosed because the religion was new and a lot of people turned to it when doctors gave them no hope. (That’s how my own family found it.) Many people raised in the religion have never had any call to see a doctor. My grandmother never did. My grandfather described himself as having been a sickly kid, with diagnosed asthma. Two of his aunts (it always seems to be aunts…) had become interested in the religion and urged his mother to call a CS Practitioner. He was healed of the asthma, and practiced the religion for the rest of his life.

There are published accounts of more current healings of medically diagnosed conditions. They are often in cases where someone has become ill or injured in some public place and is taken by ambulance to a hospital. Some people from there release themselves against medical advice. Not everyone does, though. What we often hear in these accounts is "The doctor looked at the second set of x-rays and told me he has never seen [insert name of condition or type of injury] healed so quickly.

As to robert_columbia’s direct questions, Did it work? Did it fail? I believe wholeheartedly that reliance on a pure understanding of what the Bible teaches, which is the basis of Christian Science absolutely works. In the cases where I haven’t been healed I have never thought “Christian Science didn’t work this time.” It takes (I believe) a tremendous commitment to practice Christian Science, and as I admitted in my second paragraph, my level of commitment waivers. That is typically in direct proportion to how many plates I’m trying to keep spinning at once. The times in my life when I’ve felt the most happy, healthy and productive have been the times when I’ve been the most devoted to studying the Bible, and the Christian Science textbook.

Could you provide a link to one, please.

2008 article from the CS Journal

I know that in the 24 hour news cycle world a 2008 article about a healing that took place in 2005 is not so very current, but it’s not from 1898…
And another… Diagnosed Prostate Cancer - Healed

I’m sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Can you provide a link to a specific case from a medical journal or some other professional and unbiased source? Links to anecdotes aren’t really that hard to come across, but they do little to further understanding.

Mark Twain changed his mind about CS after he wrote the material above. Val Kilmer, a Christian Scientist, is making a movie about Twain’s relationship with Mrs. Eddy http://www.twaineddyfilm.com/

When Peel wrote Spiritual Healing In A Scientific Age, he set out to document the healings, naming the doctors who made the diagnosis and who later found the condition healed.

He addressed exactly the sort of skepticism shown here and set out to make the case for CS.

If you are really interested in it, or are dealing with a medical condition or discord that is not going where you would like, get the textbook Science and Health by Mary Baker Eddy and start reading it. It is available used at Amazon as is the Peel book.

I had trouble getting the idea when I started and needed Practitioners to do much. It was the episode with the hornets that really got me connected. I saw what I could do, and have been improving ever since.

Mrs. Eddy forbids formulas and teaches that each person must find his/her own way to connect with the Holy Spirit, or the Comforter as Jesus described it.

Here is his description of the Comforter from John 14:

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Thank God for the First Amendment.

I’m sorry, but my reading list is a bit full right now to add a textbook to it. Can you provide a link to a study showing the effectiveness of CS?

Um, not so far. I do understand what you’re asking, and (I believe) why you’d ask. I am not well enough acquainted with any such publications to do much beyond the google searching I just did.

Without meaning to persuade you of anything much I would like to point out that the CS Journal does require verification of such accounts from doctors or other individuals quoted indirectly or directly.

If further searching does turn anything up you can be confident I will share it.