# Have you no sense of decency, Mr. Cheney? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242 "2014-12-14T22:21:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/1 "2014-12-14T22:21:49Z")
VP Cheney, [on MTP today](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cheney-torture-report-innocent-detainee), when asked about the fact that some of those tortured were wrongly detained (and likely innocent of any wrongdoing): > [@](#): > > I’m more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am with a few that in fact were innocent Tortured a few innocent people… no big deal, right? What an awful human being. Not only does Cheney think we should torture, he’s not that concerned that we tortured innocent people. What an awful American, and an awful human being. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/2 "2014-12-14T22:29:53Z")
He’s an excellent example of that sort of blindness that says “I must do whatever action is required to ensure the safety of my country” without any consideration of what those actions actually do to the character of the country he is trying to save. And of course he is constitutionally incapable of admitting that anything he has ever done or been associated with was in fact wrong or a mistake. As such, he is a pustule on the diseased backside of humanity. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/3 "2014-12-14T22:32:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Have you no sense of decency, Mr. Cheney? Whatever made you think he did? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/4 "2014-12-14T22:34:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Whatever made you think he did? My first, second, and third thought too. In fact, I would have been shocked if he had expressed regret or sympathy for the human rights violations done under his watch. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/5 "2014-12-14T22:37:12Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Whatever made you think he did? Exactly. But seriously, why would he NOT be OK if innocent people were affected? Any method you use to capture “bad guys” is going to snare a few innocents. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/6 "2014-12-14T22:43:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Exactly. > > But seriously, why would he NOT be OK if innocent people were affected? Any method you use to capture “bad guys” is going to snare a few innocents. I note that the exact area of concern that the OP listed was “that we tortured innocent people”, not that “innocent people were affected”. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/7 "2014-12-14T22:47:18Z")
That guy seriously jerks off while screaming Jack Nicholson’s courtroom speech from A Few Good Men. The asshole is incredibly dangerous specifically because he believes he’s in the right. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/8 "2014-12-14T22:55:31Z")
I have a relative who has met him as part of his work. He really is just as much of an idiotic douchebag and asshole as you would expect from his public statements. To have a sense of decency, he’d first have to understand that the concept even exists. ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/9 "2014-12-14T23:02:00Z")
Cheney, for me, is a walking argument for a hard upper age cutoff on the UNOS list. The fact that this piece of shit got a heart transplant in his 70s while some younger person who isn’t a blight on humanity probably died waiting is infuriating. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/10 "2014-12-14T23:13:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > VP Cheney, [on MTP today](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cheney-torture-report-innocent-detainee), when asked about the fact that some of those tortured were wrongly detained (and likely innocent of any wrongdoing): > > Tortured a few innocent people… no big deal, right? What an awful human being. Not only does Cheney think we should torture, he’s not that concerned that we tortured innocent people. > > What an awful American, and an awful human being. He denied that we tortured anyone, and he denied that waterboarding was torture. Of course he has no sense of decency, as he never has. Just be grateful that he is no longer our President, and that he took his veep, GWB, with him. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/11 "2014-12-14T23:17:24Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > That guy seriously jerks off while screaming Jack Nicholson’s courtroom speech from A Few Good Men. There’s a “Soviet Russia” masturbation “truth handles YOU!” joke there but I won’t make it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/12 "2014-12-14T23:18:38Z")
And furthermore, I will also say that later in that MTP episode, there was an enlightening (for me) discussion about Obama’s drone strategy. I am not giving the current administration a pass with respect to war crimes and lack of decency, either. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/13 "2014-12-14T23:20:49Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I note that the exact area of concern that the OP listed was “that we tortured innocent people”, not that “innocent people were affected”. I note that there is no operative difference between the two statements. Choose whichever you like and apply it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/14 "2014-12-14T23:42:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I note that there is no operative difference between the two statements. Choose whichever you like and apply it. Seriously? You think “affected” is a synonym for “tortured”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/15 "2014-12-14T23:57:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Seriously? You think “affected” is a synonym for “tortured”? You’re right. In a thread about torturing innocent people, when I said “affected”, it’s obvious that I meant “affected by tickling”, not “affected by torture”. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/16 "2014-12-15T00:14:42Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Exactly. > > But seriously, why would he NOT be OK if innocent people were affected? Any method you use to capture “bad guys” is going to snare a few innocents. Most or all of the defenders I’ve heard (before Cheney today) have stated categorically that _only_ terrorists (and often only ‘terrorist masterminds’) were subject to the torture methods. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/17 "2014-12-15T01:10:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’re right. In a thread about torturing innocent people, when I said “affected”, it’s obvious that I meant “affected by tickling”, not “affected by torture”. My bad. Sorry **John** ; I’m glad it was just me misunderstanding you. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/18 "2014-12-15T01:34:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Exactly. > > But seriously, why would he NOT be OK if innocent people were affected? Any method you use to capture “bad guys” is going to snare a few innocents. That’s what gets me, it would have been so easy to make some statement about it being an extremely unfortunate but unavoidable possibility. But he’s not even trying to pretend anymore that he cares about innocent lives. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/19 "2014-12-15T01:47:57Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > He’s an excellent example of that sort of blindness that says “I must do whatever action is required to ensure the safety of my country” . . . I don’t even think Cheney is all that concerned with the country as a whole–his concern has only been “the country” in as much as that conceit serves the ideological justifications for his class and political advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242/20 "2014-12-15T01:49:20Z")
I just can’t believe Republicans haven’t denounced this terrorist yet. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-you-no-sense-of-decency-mr-cheney/707242.md?page=2)