# Haven't seen new Bond movies. What's this "Paradigm Shift" they're talking about? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 14, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745 "2008-11-14T18:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/1 "2008-11-14T18:46:04Z")
Haven’t seen any of the new D Craig Bond movies. [Re this review](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27667220/)what’s the big “paradigm shift” in the Bond world the article is talking about. Is Bond still “Bond”. > [@](#): > > After the massive paradigm shift of “Casino Royale,” there’s not lots of new ground for “Quantum of Solace” to uncover. But as an adrenaline-packed example of the new-paradigm Bond, it ranks with the legendary franchise’s finest entries. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/2 "2008-11-14T18:48:01Z")
They killed the camp and goofy technology (invisible cars? wristwatch lasers?) and replaced it with blood, grit and psychological trauma. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/3 "2008-11-14T18:51:04Z")
Or, as one critic has said of the new Bond flick: it’s Bond for people who’d rather watch Bourne. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/4 "2008-11-14T19:28:24Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Or, as one critic has said of the new Bond flick: it’s Bond for people who’d rather watch Bourne. Bond had become a joke - everything was all about topping the previous. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/5 "2008-11-14T20:17:18Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Bond had become a joke - everything was all about topping the previous. > > -Joe Agreed. I thought that whole [tank scene](http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/3159/FE_DA_080128tank_10420.jpg) in Goldeneye was lame. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/6 "2008-11-14T20:21:24Z")
It’s probably the Aston’s version of Tiptronic. I know, I know. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/7 "2008-11-14T20:52:37Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > They killed the camp and goofy technology (invisible cars? wristwatch lasers?) and replaced it with blood, grit and psychological trauma. If I wanted realism I’d go with John LeCarre, not Ian Fleming! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/8 "2008-11-14T20:59:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > If I wanted realism I’d go with John LeCarre, not Ian Fleming! :mad: Well, Ian Fleming hasn’t had much to do with anything in a Bond film…ever. This version of Bond is closer to Fleming than we’ve had, but is still far away. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/9 "2008-11-14T21:20:17Z")
Closer, but the “real” Bond was a man of WWII and the early Cold War. This is a brutish Bond for the modern era. Hemmed in by bureaucracy, driven to violent action. THe chase scenes are still surreal, but more believable at the moment you are viewing it. The fancy locales are still there. But overall, there is a grittiness, a thuggishness. ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/10 "2008-11-14T21:50:54Z")
They’ve reset the whole franchise to zero and ignored any continuity with the past films. Bond is now at the start of his 007 career. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/havent-seen-new-bond-movies-whats-this-paradigm-shift-theyre-talking-about/472745/11 "2008-11-14T22:30:01Z")
> [@Mk\_VII](#): > > They’ve reset the whole franchise to zero and ignored any continuity with the past films. Bond is now at the start of his 007 career. I guess that makes more sense than the conceit that he’s been at it since [1962](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_(film_series)#Films) and is no nearer retirement age.