# Having laid low, the N.R.A. is fully prepped and rehearsed to control legislation. As usual.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [December 20, 2012, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605 "2012-12-20T05:02:36Z")
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/261 "2012-12-22T22:13:24Z")
I think the idea is utterly insane, but I think I thought of how I’d handle it:
If you were gonna institute police at every school, I’d have police set up a small sub-station at each school. Not new officers, just existing officers from some precinct who now have the school as a base of operations.
When I was a lad in Hawaii, they had a Waikiki Police substation at the edge of the beach, near the Duke Kahanamoku statue. It was a small building, just a visible place to report crimes, staffed by a few officers with a couple of patrol vehicles parked outside. The school version wouldn’t even have to be staffed all day. Just from 8 to 4.
I’m sure that would take the pricetag down a few billion.
To reiterate, the idea is completely insane.
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/262 "2012-12-22T22:31:49Z")
> [@Lobohan](#):
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> If you were gonna institute police at every school, I’d have police set up a small sub-station at each school. Not new officers, just existing officers from some precinct who now have the school as a base of operations.
Are there enough police officers to do that, though? My city usually only has three or maybe four police officers on duty, and there are four public schools. ETA: And there are something like 15 schools in the unincorporated parts of my county, but I think there are only six or seven deputies that are usually on the streets. Some of those schools already pay for resource officers, though, so that would bring it down a little.
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [December 22, 2012, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/263 "2012-12-22T22:52:17Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> Are there enough police officers to do that, though? My city usually only has three or maybe four police officers on duty, and there are four public schools. ETA: And there are something like 15 schools in the unincorporated parts of my county, but I think there are only six or seven deputies that are usually on the streets. Some of those schools already pay for resource officers, though, so that would bring it down a little.
Oh yeah, I’m sure it would be way costly and insane. I was just thinking it would drop the price by ten or twenty percent.
In rural areas you’d need additional officers. The NRA would have us crater school budgets across the country.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/264 "2012-12-23T00:22:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> There are no firearms in Mortal Kombat or Splatterhouse.
The original arcade version of _Splatterhouse_ featured a pump-action shotgun the player could use on one of the middle levels.
Carry on.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/265 "2012-12-23T05:48:33Z")
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> Civilized life has grown altogether too tame, and, if it is to be stable, it must provide harmless outlets for the impulses which our remote ancestors satisfied in hunting.
- Bertrand Russell
Nobel Prize speech, 1950
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### Author:  [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/266 "2012-12-23T06:48:03Z")
And then there is the next target of opportunity once schools are sealed up and armed: school busses packed with children, and school bus loading zones with dozens of children milling about. Obviously armoured school busses with armed guards and armed outriders, and armed escorts for bus loading, are the only reasonable solution.
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### Author:  [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/267 "2012-12-23T14:59:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> The original arcade version of _Splatterhouse_ featured a pump-action shotgun the player could use on one of the middle levels.
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> Carry on.
Didn’t Stryker in MK3 have a pistol and grenade?
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### Author:  [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/268 "2012-12-23T17:33:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> A dark and ugly thought just crossed my mind, naturally, my next thought was to share…
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> Crime scene photos were taken, of this we may be sure. The coroner on the case described the injuries…the _insults_, I think is the technical term…these children suffered.. And even in the most austere and tersely worded terms, its enough to make any parent heartsick.
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> What happens when those photos are leaked? I suspect they will be, sooner or later. Hyper-emotional arguments? We ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Brace yourselves, because as ugly as it is, its likely to get a whole lot worse.
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> Means that those of us who value sanity must take steps to dial back our own normal reactions. Won’t stop the meth addled magpies amongst us, but at least it won’t add to the shrill hysteria. A prayer whispered in a windstorm, I suppose, but for what its worth…
[Roland Martin editorial suggesting the pictures (or a picture) should be published.](http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/22/opinion/martin-newtown-carnage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [December 23, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/269 "2012-12-23T17:52:43Z")
I think getting a truck and printing it to look like those abortion trucks would work. It would be vile, but probably much more effective than an abortion truck in moving public opinion.
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### Author:  [@gunchris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunchris)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/270 "2012-12-24T03:20:21Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#):
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> [It’s all in their playbook.](http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/politics/nra-silence-regrouping/index.html?hpt=hp_c3).
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> The carefully timed out period of respect and mourning. The engaging in dialogue. It’s all a bullet-ridden fucking smokescreen to buy time until the news cycle moves on and they get to do what they always do- control the US Senate and House with the leverage bought and paid for.
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> [A 6th grader in Utah holds a gun to a classmate’s skull by way of protecting himself because his parents want him to be safer in school?](http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/6th-grader-brings-gun-to-school-utah-boy-says-he-brought-gun-to-defend-against-newtown-type-attack) No problem- he’s the N.R.A.'s new poster child.
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> Dumdum bullets to donuts the N.R.A.'d have been first in line to pay the kid’s legal bills had the gun been loaded with the ammo found in his backpack.
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> Un FUCKING Real.
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> All you gun-toting, Sig Heil .667 packin’ bad-asses, take that next step ! Don’t let Utah show you up ! Don’t be a pussy, send your elementary school kid off to school packin’ heat !
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> It’s the 'Mmerikkin way, after all.
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> :rolleyes:
My, what an interesting fact filled little essay. I am sure NRA members like me will be convinced to stop sending our money to the NRA. 😛
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### Author:  [@gunchris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunchris)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/271 "2012-12-24T03:23:32Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> despite the self evident fact that a society bristling with armed people isn’t safer than one not bristling with weapons.
the problem with your statement is that its wrong. See John Lotts book\* “more guns less crime”\*
for the footnotes.
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### Author:  [@gunchris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunchris)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/272 "2012-12-24T03:26:23Z")
The media driven hysteria will do little, very little, to change the minds of informed NRA members.
Insults, uninformed rage and lies will not deter the members of one of Americas oldest grassroots civil rights orgs.
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### Author:  [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/273 "2012-12-24T03:39:20Z")
I doubt if anything will change the minds of “informed NRA members”, so might as well move on with gun control without their input.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/274 "2012-12-24T03:49:09Z")
> [@gunchris](#):
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> the problem with your statement is that its wrong. See John Lotts book\* “more guns less crime”\*
> for the footnotes.
As mentioned before, I have seen that the whole thing is a wash, there is little to show that there is an increase in crime when there is more or less guns.
If it was that clear then most of the research would support one side or the other, the annoying thing is that the results of many studies are contradictory, pointing very likely the view that this is a wash for the pro and con positions.
> **[More Guns, Less Crime](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime)**
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> Jun 15, 2000 (2nd ed.)
> More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John R. Lott Jr. that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. He presents the results of his statistical analysis of crime data for every county in the United States during 29 years from 1977 to 2005. Each edition of the book was refereed by the University of Chicago Press. As of 2019, the book is no longer published by the University of Chicago Press. The book examines city, county and stat...
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### Author:  [@gunchris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunchris)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/275 "2012-12-24T03:49:36Z")
I doubt if anything will change the minds of uninformed network news viewers, so we will continue to win important SCOTUS cases and winning lawsuits in the circuit Courts. Please, dear freedom haters, continue with your uninformed,useless rage. It always fails where it counts, In Court.
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### Author:  [@gunchris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunchris)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/276 "2012-12-24T03:52:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> As mentioned before, I have seen that the whole thing is a wash, there is little to show that there is an increase in crime when there is more or less guns.
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> If it was that clear then most of the research would support one side or the other, the annoying thing is that the results of many studies are contradictory, pointing very likely the view that this is a wash for the pro and con positions.
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> [More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime)
yup, excellent point there!😃
That’s why I always tell my gunny friends that it makes little difference to me if guns deter or makes crime easier. Free speech isn’t always pretty either but I support it too.
Its my right to keep and bear arms, not giving in an inch.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/277 "2012-12-24T03:56:30Z")
Meh, instead of an armed guard, why not put a psychiatrist in every school, trained to look for early warning signs of mental illness? Sure, not every budding spree- or serial-killer will be spotted, and some kids will get unfairly labeled as mentally ill when they’re really just eccentric or unconventional, but surely this is a mental-health issue, not a gun issue, no?
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/278 "2012-12-24T03:58:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> Meh, instead of an armed guard, why not put a psychiatrist in every school, trained to look for early warning signs of mental illness? Sure, not every budding spree- or serial-killer will be spotted, and some kids will get unfairly labeled as mentally ill when they’re really just eccentric or unconventional, but surely this is a mental-health issue, not a gun issue, no?
Maybe split the difference between this and the NRA. Give every person an armed psychiatrist, so they can just shoot you when you start to go nuts.
“There are two kinds of people in America – potential spree killers, and the armed psychiatrists who stand between us and … us.”
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/279 "2012-12-24T04:01:07Z")
> [@gunchris](#):
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> yup, excellent point there!😃
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> That’s why I always tell my gunny friends that it makes little difference to me if guns deter or makes crime easier. Free speech isn’t always pretty either but I support it too.
> Its my right to keep and bear arms, not giving in an inch.
Of course it means that it was mostly bullshit when you mentioned that book.
Be as it may, the main point that will be mostly taken seriously in the end, is that many of the current laws will finally get more support and compliance, guns will not be taken away from law aviding citizens.
If there is something I do hate coming from the pro side is that they mosltly do ignore that the people in government that supports the NRA are the ones that mostly played lip service to the enforcement of the laws, I do remember that it was mostly the conservative governors the ones that made a joke of properly reporting, for example, the list of people that should not use guns due to mental problems.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [December 24, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/having-laid-low-the-n-r-a-is-fully-prepped-and-rehearsed-to-control-legislation-as-usual/644605/280 "2012-12-24T04:03:07Z")
> [@gunchris](#):
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> I doubt if anything will change the minds of uninformed network news viewers, so we will continue to win important SCOTUS cases and winning lawsuits in the circuit Courts. Please, dear freedom haters, continue with your uninformed,useless rage. It always fails where it counts, In Court.
Is it possible to have a difference of opinion, one that may disagree with whatever positions the NRA takes, and not be a “freedom hater”?
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