# Haw! Rush, yew is HOZED! (Swallows AGW-denial hoax, line & sinker) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2007, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876 "2007-11-10T05:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/41 "2007-11-10T16:49:15Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit? to brazil84] Please note he works for an oil and gas exploration company. [/quote] Not relevant. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/42 "2007-11-10T16:51:34Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] So I ask you again you dishonest shill, who do you work for and can you think for yourself? Jim [/QUOTE] Yawn. Your paranoia isn’t helping your credibility at all. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/43 "2007-11-10T16:52:28Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Not relevant. [/QUOTE] Why? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/44 "2007-11-10T16:54:54Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Yawn. Your paranoia isn’t helping your credibility at all. [/QUOTE] So how do you really refute the 3 reports I linked to? You changed the subject very quick to a professional shill when confronted with newer reports that supported my statements. Jim ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/45 "2007-11-10T17:02:40Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] So how do you really refute the 3 reports I linked to? [/quote] Start a thread in GD and we’ll discuss it. And are you accusing me of being a professional shill? Yes or no. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/46 "2007-11-10T17:07:43Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Start a thread in GD and we’ll discuss it. And are you accusing me of being a professional shill? Yes or no. [/QUOTE] You jumped into this thread to make a random remark about the “Hockey Stick” graph. I refuted it and you challenged me. I quickly provided 3 separate more recent studies and you changed the subject to your favorite Oil Company employed blogger. Now you are clearly trying to weasel out of being caught in another lie. Jim ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/47 "2007-11-10T17:09:41Z")
Which is to say, if you’re a professional shill, you’re wildly overpaid. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/48 "2007-11-10T17:19:05Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] You jumped into this thread to make a random remark about the “Hockey Stick” graph. I refuted it and you challenged me. I quickly provided 3 separate more recent studies and you changed the subject to your favorite Oil Company employed blogger. Now you are clearly trying to weasel out of being caught in another lie. Jim [/QUOTE] Not at all. I prefer to discuss the temperature record in a civil manner. I started a thread. > **[Temperature Record of the Last 1000 Years](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=443588)** > > We’ve all heard of the infamous “hockey stick” graph that showed little temperature change from years 1000 to 1900; followed by a sharp rise between 1900 and 2000. I had been under the impression that the “hockey stick” has been pretty much... Now, speaking of weaseling, please answer my question: Are you or aren’t you accusing me of being a professional shill? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/49 "2007-11-10T17:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] In science – and in law, and in daily discourse – “proof” and “evidence” are synonymous terms and neither implies any greater level of certainty or confidence than the other. (In mathematics the term “proof” is used exclusively to show a logically certain conclusion and the term “evidence” is not used at all; that is what may have confused you.) But that’s been hashed over, too. [/QUOTE] I don’t know that I’d use the word “proof” in connection with AGW, precisely because of this conclusion. But if you say something like, “We know with a certainty exceeding 90% that human activities are a major contributing factor to global warming,” it seems to me you are on indisputably safe ground. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/50 "2007-11-10T17:25:58Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] Yer shittin’ me. A semi-lefty like myself and you agreeing on something? Is that a sign of the apocalypse or that we need to be on the Unity '08 ticket? [/QUOTE] 😃 Hey, when you’re right, you’re right. (Perhaps I ought to say “correct,” in view of the “right” having a political meaning, but you get the idea). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/51 "2007-11-10T17:27:47Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Not at all. I prefer to discuss the temperature record in a civil manner. I started a thread. > **[Temperature Record of the Last 1000 Years](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=443588)** > > We’ve all heard of the infamous “hockey stick” graph that showed little temperature change from years 1000 to 1900; followed by a sharp rise between 1900 and 2000. I had been under the impression that the “hockey stick” has been pretty much... Now, speaking of weaseling, please answer my question: Are you or aren’t you accusing me of being a professional shill? [/QUOTE] You act like a professional shill. But it was pointed out to me recently that you might be an unprofessional shill. I am still hoping you will let us in on the joke and tell us if you are or are not. BTW: Fuck you and your GD thread. Keep it here where you started your current round of misinformation. Jim ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/52 "2007-11-10T17:29:54Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] I don’t know that I’d use the word “proof” in connection with AGW, precisely because of this conclusion. But if you say something like, “We know with a certainty exceeding 90% that human activities are a major contributing factor to global warming,” it seems to me you are on indisputably safe ground. [/QUOTE] This is exactly how it should always be put to not give certain people a chance to raise false debates and red herrings. An excellent clarification. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/53 "2007-11-10T19:15:42Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Please note he works for an oil and gas exploration company. [/QUOTE] Why don’t you try attacking his arguments instead of trying an ad hominem? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/54 "2007-11-10T19:34:52Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Are you or aren’t you accusing me of being a professional shill? [/QUOTE] Absent proof of compensation, I would say “amateur.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/55 "2007-11-10T19:38:08Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] Why don’t you try attacking his arguments instead of trying an ad hominem? [/QUOTE] Certainly attacking the substance of his arguments is the best way to go (if this were GD). OTOH, [this is not the kind of circumstance or question where “ad hominem” is fallacious, or in any way inappropriate.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=405245) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/56 "2007-11-10T21:00:45Z")
??? Then any Christian would do well to avoid anything uttered by St. Paul. Mr Macintyre’s background is out there in the open. Tell me, of all the scientists who promote AGW, how many are significantly funded by AGW research? Don’t they have a vested interest in promoting AGW? Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. But you read both sides with appropriate regard for the authors. And you follow the data. Anyway, I find the whole business an utter mess. There is simply no evidence at all one way or the other. Neither side has me convinced. People have noted the increase in CO2 levels but correllation does not equate to causation. There is no evidence linking the two. None. So I’ll read ClimateAudit, and I’ll read RealClimate, and I’ll read more. And I’ll continue to question. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/57 "2007-11-10T21:11:09Z")
Have I missed something? I don’t see that Rush has actually acknowledged that this is a fraud and announed to his listeners/viewers that the study should be discounted. It would not surprise me at all if he never issues a correction or retraction. I’m with **Tuckerfan** on this. This hoax will end up doing more harm than good. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/58 "2007-11-10T21:47:02Z")
Imagine if a story came out showing that American soldiers had committed some horrible atrocity in Iraq, and the left jumped on it to discredit the war, then they found out that the story was actually a fake planted by some right-wing nutballs who could then show that the left wanted to believe American soldiers were monsters and hated America. How do you think that would go over on the left? Do you think it would help people on the right? Or would it just make them look like dishonest sleazeballs willing to propagate horrible lies for partisan purposes? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/59 "2007-11-10T21:49:11Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] Tell me, of all the scientists who promote AGW, how many are significantly funded by AGW research? Don’t they have a vested interest in promoting AGW? [/QUOTE] Tell me, where’s this big pot of money that funds pro-AGW research, provided by people with an economic interest in publishing pro-AGW results? I guess the Big Windmill lobby is better-funded than I realized. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876/60 "2007-11-10T22:06:34Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] Why [is someone’s place of employment not relevant with respect to the substance of an argument]? [/QUOTE] Because an argument should live or die on its own merits. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/haw-rush-yew-is-hozed-swallows-agw-denial-hoax-line-sinker/425876.md?page=4)