# Hawaii verifies Obama's Birth Certificate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 1, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539 "2008-11-01T04:41:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/1 "2008-11-01T04:41:47Z")
It’s ridiculous that it had to [come to this](http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news): > [@](#): > > HONOLULU – The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.. > > …“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said. > > “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i,” Fukino said. Will this finally put an end to the wingnut nonsense about Obama’s citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/2 "2008-11-01T04:44:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s ridiculous that it had to [come to this](http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news): > > Will this finally put an end to the wingnut nonsense about Obama’s citizenship? Of course it won’t. “Yeah, that’s just what I thought they would say. What took so long?” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/3 "2008-11-01T04:49:36Z")
Okay, so Obama has communist operatives in Hawaii’s highest offices now. I see how it is. His Islamo-Communist Jihadis are everywhere… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/4 "2008-11-01T04:50:55Z")
Already the Freepers are saying it’s phony. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/5 "2008-11-01T05:07:44Z")
I’m getting a bit of a chuckle out of this. Trying to find a reason to disqualify Obama from the ballot. Remember Alice Palmer ? I would think that Hawaii’s position could be challenged constitutionally. After all, age and location of birth are distinct requirements for eligibility to be president. Seems rather irresponsible that this information can be withheld from the people. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/6 "2008-11-01T05:14:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Already the Freepers are saying it’s phony. God those people are sick. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/7 "2008-11-01T05:15:40Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I’m getting a bit of a chuckle out of this. Trying to find a reason to disqualify Obama from the ballot. Remember Alice Palmer ? No. Who the fuck is Alice Palmer? > [@](#): > > I would think that Hawaii’s position could be challenged constitutionally. After all, age and location of birth are distinct requirements for eligibility to be president. Seems rather irresponsible that this information can be withheld from the people. What information is being withheld? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/8 "2008-11-01T05:33:23Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > God those people are sick. Amusing, though. This is the only [Alice Palmer](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Palmer_(Illinois_politician)) I could find on Wiki that I would think **Dutchman** could be referring to, but I don’t know how it applies to the topic at hand, at least not with Obama’s birth certificate, or citizenship status. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/9 "2008-11-01T05:37:51Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No. Who the fuck is Alice Palmer? C’mon **Dio** , surely you’ve read a bio on Obama. > [@](#): > > What information is being withheld? Were you satisfied you got the full truth when the Bush administration told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/10 "2008-11-01T05:38:43Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > C’mon **Dio** , surely you’ve read a bio on Obama. > Were you satisfied you got the full truth when the Bush administration told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. What are you playing at? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/11 "2008-11-01T05:54:15Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What are you playing at? From your link > [@](#): > > She had, with a degree of formality that is disputed, anointed Barack Obama as her chosen successor in the State Senate, but after her defeat she filed to retain the Democratic nomination for the 13th District. Obama was able, however, to successfully challenge enough signatures to disqualify not only the incumbent but the other three candidates for the Democratic nomination as well, which he won unopposed.[2][3] > > Obama himself has said that the challenges were necessitated by what he called obvious flaws in the challengers’ signature sheets. “To my mind, we were just abiding by the rules that had been set up,” he said in a 2007 interview with the Chicago Tribune.[3] When asked if voters were not disserviced by a ballot with no opposing candidates, Obama said “I think they ended up with a very good state senator.”[3] Karma. What goes around comes around. Except that I have no doubt as to the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate. Obama started out his carreer disqualifying his Democrat opponents (including Palmer) by challenging the legitimacy of their ballot registrations (signature lists) and ended up unopposed in the Democratic primary for the state senate. Can you imagine a citizen successfully challenging Obama’s birth registration to disqualify him from the oval office? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/12 "2008-11-01T05:56:39Z")
Okay, punks, but disprove the LATEST meme: Obama’s education was paid for by, er, nefarious creatures of SOME sort. Honest, I need to turn the beliefs of a cow-orker who answers it with “Unnamed Middle-Eastern Entities.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/13 "2008-11-01T05:56:47Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > C’mon **Dio** , surely you’ve read a bio on Obama. Ok, so I see she’s the State Senator who preceded Obama in his seat in Illinois. What the hell does she have to do with his birth certificate or with his legitimacy in the ballot? > [@](#): > > Were you satisfied you got the full truth when the Bush administration told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Ok, so you’re saying that the state of Hawaii is lying and that Barack Obama doesn’t really have a birth certificate? It’s all a big conspiracy? What about the fact that Obama has, you know, already made his birth certificate available to public view? Never mind. I can see that nutters will be nutters, no matter what the evidence is. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/14 "2008-11-01T05:59:12Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > From your link > > Karma. What goes around comes around. Except that I have no doubt as to the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate. > > Obama started out his carreer disqualifying his Democrat opponents (including Palmer) by challenging the legitimacy of their ballot registrations (signature lists) and ended up unopposed in the Democratic primary for the state senate. > > Can you imagine a citizen successfully challenging Obama’s birth registration to disqualify him from the oval office? This is silly Obama PROVED his case. There is no “karma” at play here. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/15 "2008-11-01T05:59:22Z")
Bro, **Dutchie’s** fucked. Accept it and ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/16 "2008-11-01T06:10:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Ok, so I see she’s the State Senator who preceded Obama in his seat in Illinois. What the hell does she have to do with his birth certificate or with his legitimacy in the ballot? read the link > [@](#): > > Ok, so you’re saying that the state of Hawaii is lying and that Barack Obama doesn’t really have a birth certificate? It’s all a big conspiracy? never said that > [@](#): > > What about the fact that Obama has, you know, already made his birth certificate available to public view? So what > [@](#): > > Never mind. I can see that nutters will be nutters, no matter what the evidence is. I totally agree. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/17 "2008-11-01T06:26:47Z")
**Dutchie** , my pal for LO these many years, THIS is a fight you should just drop. Jump on some different issue. Much as I appreciate your input, THIS is one that can only stomp all over your rep. Toss it aside and concentrate on another of your anti-Obama memes. Maybe ONE will catch fire, though I don’t see it happening. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/18 "2008-11-01T06:41:30Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > **Dutchie** , my pal for LO these many years, THIS is a fight you should just drop. Jump on some different issue. Much as I appreciate your input, THIS is one that can only stomp all over your rep. Toss it aside and concentrate on another of your anti-Obama memes. Maybe ONE will catch fire, though I don’t see it happening. Nothing I’ve said here could be constituted as anti- Obama. Not in my mind, and I’m on the record here in support of him and I’ve outlined why. These responses here are indicative of paranoia to the extent that some poster or posters have forgotten exactly which forum they are in. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/19 "2008-11-01T07:00:15Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Were you satisfied you got the full truth when the Bush administration told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. OK, that’s . . . totally retarded . . . ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hawaii-verifies-obamas-birth-certificate/470539/20 "2008-11-01T12:36:21Z")
Since this is a rant and not a debate (and since several posters have already misinterpreted another poster’s contributions and the insults are already being flung around for no good reason), I’m shutting down this nonsense. Go play in the **Pit**. [/Moderating]