# He didn't change his mind on the mandate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666 "2013-10-08T08:17:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/41 "2013-10-08T20:32:37Z")
…says the guy who is always wrong. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/42 "2013-10-08T20:36:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The outdated, selectively released memo to an administration supporter designed to explain his flip-flop in the most positive way possible. > > What his advisors are saying now, they re free to say since of course it doesn’t matter anymore. If they’d had such loose lips a year ago, then liberal Dopers would have had to bend over backwards defending their guy. Now they can just laugh it off. Are those my only two options? Because I was really hoping to be critical of Obama when he does things I don’t like that are actually important, and to not give a shit about piddling nonsense like this. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/43 "2013-10-08T20:36:26Z")
This “bending over backwards” thing of which you speak? Any chance you could demonstrate how it is done? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/44 "2013-10-08T20:37:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > this board is filled with morons, and I’m not one of them. There is nothing I can add to this statement. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/45 "2013-10-08T20:53:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > This “bending over backwards” thing of which you speak? Any chance you could demonstrate how it is done? Without a doubt he can. How else could he get his head that far up his own ass. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/46 "2013-10-08T21:04:25Z")
Oh, no! Poor people might some day be able to get medical treatment…based on a SORT-OF FAULTY PREMISE!!! AAAAAAAHHHH!!! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/47 "2013-10-08T21:28:38Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Me too. I intend to vote early, and vote often. No need. Obama will declare martial law and name himself king long before that. > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > It’s one thing for Candidate Obama, working in the realm of hypotheticals, to criticize another candidate’s plan, but we’re outside of the hypothetical world now. I choose to live in the hypothetical world. Its nicer here. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/48 "2013-10-08T21:40:59Z")
I personally would like to thank **adaher** for creating threads such as this, the hilarity herein is stunning and awesome. Never, ever, put away your three-colored hat with the little bells hanging from its arched and dangling points. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/49 "2013-10-08T21:53:49Z")
So… in the middle of a tightly-contested political race, one of the candidates chose a stance specifically so he would be differentiated from his opponent? Okay. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/50 "2013-10-08T22:35:05Z")
I don’t even care about whether Obama lied or not in his original opposition (well, I care, but not for this post). What I want to know is how you go from “he lied about this issue” to “everything his says can be assumed to be a lie”. I’ve lied before, particularly when it might advantage me. Or when then truth might do more harm. But that doesn’t mean that I always lie, or even always lie about the issues I’ve lied about in the past. So even if you’re right on the facts (which, quite frankly, is somewhat unlikely based on past results), it’s still a bullshit OP. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/51 "2013-10-08T22:42:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The outdated, selectively released memo to an administration supporter designed to explain his flip-flop in the most positive way possible. Yeah, politicians do that. So does everyone else . > [@](#): > > What his advisors are saying now, they re free to say since of course it doesn’t matter anymore. If they’d had such loose lips a year ago, then liberal Dopers would have had to bend over backwards defending their guy. Now they can just laugh it off. We’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/52 "2013-10-08T22:46:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The outdated, selectively released memo to an administration supporter designed to explain his flip-flop in the most positive way possible. What are you talking about? The memo is linked in the article, and was written by an administration staffer (not “to an administration supporter”). As far as outdated, it’s more recent than the comments he made during the campaign _which your whole OP is based on._ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/53 "2013-10-08T22:57:49Z")
Look folks. In the past, **adaher** would not admit his error when confronted by\* factual statistical data\* that conclusively proved he was wrong. He’s not going to back down, just because he is absolutely wrong. Being wrong just makes him more determined to argue his point. He’s the terminator of wrongitude. He Just. Won’t. Stop. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/54 "2013-10-08T23:25:41Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > What I want to know is how you go from “he lied about this issue” to “everything his says can be assumed to be a lie”. I find it easier to think “he’s a politician everything he says can be assumed to be a lie.” That way you don’t have to worry about parties and such and go about your business. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/55 "2013-10-08T23:26:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Look folks. In the past, **adaher** would not admit his error when confronted by\* factual statistical data\* that conclusively proved he was wrong. > > He’s not going to back down, just because he is absolutely wrong. Being wrong just makes him more determined to argue his point. He’s the terminator of wrongitude. He Just. Won’t. Stop. I’m never one to miss something like that. Link? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/56 "2013-10-08T23:32:34Z")
Maybe he did change his mind. So? You want a President who never changes his mind, ever? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/57 "2013-10-08T23:38:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Maybe he did change his mind. So? You want a President who never changes his mind, ever? Only Republican presidents are allowed to change their minds! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/58 "2013-10-09T00:19:27Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I’m never one to miss something like that. Link? See every poll in the last election. Every one that showed the Dems ahead was wrong for some obscure reason according to **adaher**. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/59 "2013-10-09T02:37:24Z")
adaher literally disappeared from the boards for months and months after President Romney conceded the election because of all the liberally skewed election results. I called him out on it the minute I saw him return, and he basically just said “well I always said I might be wrong” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/60 "2013-10-09T03:43:17Z")
[Here’s](http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/barack-obama-beach-450x688.jpg) a picture of Obama at the beach. I want everybody to take a real close look at that photo. Notice that you can’t see his feet. The photo op was carefully timed so that his footwear is hidden. That’s right, it’s just one more case of Obama trying to hide his flip flops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=4)