# He didn't change his mind on the mandate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666 "2013-10-08T08:17:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/61 "2013-10-09T06:02:08Z")
That sort of thing goes on your permanent record, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/62 "2013-10-09T09:45:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He Just. Won’t. Stop. The [del]Energizer[/del] Wrongness Bunny. Still going! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/63 "2013-10-09T11:49:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The outdated, selectively released memo to an administration supporter designed to explain his flip-flop in the most positive way possible. Handwaving away any evidence that contradicts your position…gosh, that’s vaguely familiar… > [@](#): > > What his advisors are saying now, they re free to say since of course it doesn’t matter anymore. If they’d had such loose lips a year ago, then liberal Dopers would have had to bend over backwards defending their guy. Now they can just laugh it off. Or, to translate, “If they’d said last year what I claim they secretly believed instead of later saying something publicly that proves me wrong, I’d win this argument!”. Can’t argue with that logic. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/64 "2013-10-09T12:12:01Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I’m never one to miss something like that. Link? Can’t tell if serious. > **[In the history of the SDMB has anyone ever been wrong about more things than...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=700971)** > > I was just reading the thread about the GOP and race and then GIGObuster, in pointing out how wrong adaher was about something, linked to a thread about Rubio’s immigration bill where he had already showed that adaher was wrong about the very same... and > **[If a poster is wrong more than half the time, would you take them seriously?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=701611)** > > I ask because as may of you know, I’m wrong a lot. I make dumb arguments, I recite facts from memory that turn out to be laughably wrong. Some would say that because of that, I’m not worth being taken seriously. Some have even accused me of bad... ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/65 "2013-10-09T12:12:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Can’t argue with that logic. There was some “logic” in there? Could you point it out for me? I seem to have missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/66 "2013-10-09T12:17:43Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > There was some “logic” in there? Could you point it out for me? I seem to have missed it. The logic is “If things were the way I said they were rather than the way they actually are, I’d be right.” ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/67 "2013-10-09T13:36:14Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > What I want to know is how you go from “he lied about this issue” to “everything his says can be assumed to be a lie”. > > I’ve lied before, particularly when it might advantage me. Or when then truth might do more harm. But that doesn’t mean that I always lie, or even always lie about the issues I’ve lied about in the past. > > So even if you’re right on the facts (which, quite frankly, is somewhat unlikely based on past results), it’s still a bullshit OP. Maybe **adaher** ’s trying to make a meta-argument along the lines of “So even though Obama lies about some things, you don’t assume he’s always lying. I’ve been wrong about some things, and you assume I’m always wrong. Why are you so inconsistent?” If he is trying for that, someone needs to tell him he’s as bad at playing “gotcha ya” as he is at predicting elections. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/68 "2013-10-09T15:17:38Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This is dumb even for **Adaher** ’s standards. This might count as just barely passable for **Clothy** ’s though. Try to get him to make this thread instead. Fuck off, BPC. Stop trying to make your lack of intelligence or comprehension skills be my problem. Or Adaher’s, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/69 "2013-10-09T15:35:44Z")
Telling that this criticism, like most, comes from the camp of lying liars who lied the country into a war over non existent WMD’s and the ever memorable ‘Mission Accomplished’ moment. I think your pants might ignite, tread carefully. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/70 "2013-10-09T15:41:08Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I don’t even care about whether Obama lied or not in his original opposition (well, I care, but not for this post). > > What I want to know is how you go from “he lied about this issue” to “everything his says can be assumed to be a lie”. Rhetorical laziness. I doubt **adaher** believes that’s really a sound argument, but I think he believes he can convince other people it’s a sound argument. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/71 "2013-10-09T19:42:03Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Maybe he did change his mind. So? You want a President who never changes his mind, ever? No. We don’t want _The Decider_ back in office. EVER. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/72 "2013-10-09T22:00:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > No need. Obama will declare martial law and name himself king long before that. I initially misread this as “Obama will declare martial law and name himself King Kong before that.” That would be pretty cool in an Idi Amin, batshit crazy kinda way. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/73 "2013-10-11T03:46:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Rhetorical laziness. I doubt **adaher** believes that’s really a sound argument, but I think he believes he can convince other people it’s a sound argument. Actually, I’m using the high standard set by the Doper community. As I said, if a poster came by and said the things Obama says about his health care law, he’d be pegged in a hurry as an idiot. Of course, we hold politicians to lower standards. But still, that health care speech he gave a couple of weeks ago? Man, that was filled with so much BS I can’t believe anyone would take the guy seriously anymore. ACA has nothing to do with the budget? Insurance costs are “lower than expected”? The bill isn’t costing jobs? Health care is an American right? The man wouldn’t make it on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/74 "2013-10-11T03:50:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I’m using the high standard set by the Doper community. I assume you meant to type “I’m using and I’m high.” That would be an almost-acceptable explanation for your postings, which combine total arrogance with zero knowledge and a very low opinion of everyone you’re talking to. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/75 "2013-10-11T04:02:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Actually, I’m using the high standard set by the Doper community. As I said, if a poster came by and said the things Obama says about his health care law, he’d be pegged in a hurry as an idiot. > > Of course, we hold politicians to lower standards. > > But still, that health care speech he gave a couple of weeks ago? Man, that was filled with so much BS I can’t believe anyone would take the guy seriously anymore. ACA has nothing to do with the budget? Insurance costs are “lower than expected”? The bill isn’t costing jobs? Health care is an American right? > > The man wouldn’t make it on this board. The GOP is making ACA about the budget.That shouldn’t be the case. The fact the GOP feels the only way to defeat it is through extortion should tell you all you need to know about how scared they are that it will work. And if they truly felt it would fail, they should let it do so and reap the political rewards. Healthcare may not be a right but it’s a worthy goal. Except to assholes like the GOP and you. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/76 "2013-10-11T04:24:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I assume you meant to type “I’m using and I’m high.” That would be an almost-acceptable explanation for your postings, which combine total arrogance with zero knowledge and a very low opinion of everyone you’re talking to. I only have a low opinion of people who get so emotionally invested in a leader that they react angrily to criticism of him. I’ve transferred most of my posting to [debatepolitics.com](http://debatepolitics.com) and haven’t had a nasty thing said to me since. People respect each other there. And I reciprocate. Likewise, if people act like jerks, I’ll be a jerk right back. Since many Dopers see disagreement with the party line to be tantamount to “shitting on a thread”, I made my own rather than messing up theirs. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/77 "2013-10-11T04:35:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I’ve transferred most of my posting to [debatepolitics.com](http://debatepolitics.com) and haven’t had a nasty thing said to me since. Then you’d better hope nobody over there ever sees the dumb crap you post here. I imagine their opinion of you will change the next time you proclaim something like this: > [@Is it too early to say Romney has lost?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-it-too-early-to-say-romney-has-lost/635066/1097): > > I think it’s pretty safe to say that Romney leads nationally. A week before an election that shows you’re not merely wrong, but have no idea what’s going on. And I bet your tactic of disappearing after failure and then hoping everybody forgets your mistakes will work over there either. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/78 "2013-10-11T04:39:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > A week before an election that shows you’re not merely wrong, but have no idea what’s going on. And I bet your tactic of disappearing after failure and then hoping everybody forgets your mistakes will work over there either. And thus you demonstrate the point I made, that saying dumb things makes people take you less seriously. Unless you are the President. Although I doubt Bush got the benefit of the doubt on this board that the current guy gets. As for the other board, people are less uptight. A dumb post is an opportunity to make an easy rebuttal, not a reason for anger or attacking the poster making the dumb post. I don’t mind the high standard, I just wish it came with a little consistency, rather than as an opportunistic way to make a board dedicated to fighting ignorance more ideologically homogenous. You guys could start by holding your President to a higher standard. The guy really is a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/79 "2013-10-11T04:43:52Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And thus you demonstrate the point I made, that saying dumb things makes people take you less seriously. You are the living embodiment of that point. No one takes you seriously because almost everything you say is dumb - and delivered with serious arrogance. And now you’re getting whiny about people not being respectful of you even though your opinions don’t deserve respect. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/80 "2013-10-11T04:45:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And thus you demonstrate the point I made, **that saying dumb things makes people take you less seriously.** Unless you are the President. Although I doubt Bush got the benefit of the doubt on this board that the current guy gets. > > As for the other board, people are less uptight. A dumb post is an opportunity to make an easy rebuttal, not a reason for anger or attacking the poster making the dumb post. > > I don’t mind the high standard, I just wish it came with a little consistency, rather than as an opportunistic way to make a board dedicated to fighting ignorance more ideologically homogenous. > > You guys could start by holding your President to a higher standard. The guy really is a troll. No shit, Sherlock. And we do hold the President to a higher standard, we elected him over the other guy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=5)