# He didn't change his mind on the mandate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666 "2013-10-08T08:17:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/121 "2013-10-11T07:40:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I read the article you linked to; where was the lie? What was it that you read that made you think something was a lie? for **adaher** , the occurrence of of the string ‘obama’ MEANS “lie and/or Socialism within”. Don’t bother arguing with it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/122 "2013-10-11T07:46:18Z")
He flip-flopped. That much is not in dispute, right? So why did he flip-flop? My article, the more recent one, says that it was political opportunism. He just needed to differentiate himself from Clinton. There is no evidence other than his stated position that he ever intended to keep that particular promise. He lied. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/123 "2013-10-11T07:55:56Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If you recognized your shortcomings, you wouldn’t be wrong in the exact same way at every opportunity. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step towards recovery, it is not recovery in itself. See, you’re wrong.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/124 "2013-10-11T09:21:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He flip-flopped. That much is not in dispute, right? Sure, he changed his mind. > [@](#): > > So why did he flip-flop? My article, the more recent one, says that it was political opportunism. He just needed to differentiate himself from Clinton. There is no evidence other than his stated position that he ever intended to keep that particular promise. He lied. No, he changed his mind, like you said. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/125 "2013-10-11T09:29:55Z")
Right after beating Hillary Clinton? That’s awfully convenient. And then he chose not to share his change of heart with his young supporters? Not very honest of the guy. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/126 "2013-10-11T11:19:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Right after beating Hillary Clinton? That’s awfully convenient. And then he chose not to share his change of heart with his young supporters? Not very _ **honest of the guy** _. Hooooooooon-es-ty Is such a looonely word Espe-cial-lyyyyyy When _ **you’re a kettle** _… (With apologies to the piano man) Seriously Addy, if you’re going to try and cast aspersions on someone else’s integrity, maybe you should learn what it is first ? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/127 "2013-10-11T11:37:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Right after beating Hillary Clinton? That’s awfully convenient. And then he chose not to share his change of heart with his young supporters? Not very honest of the guy. I seem to recall the “right after” bit is in question. You might have missed the discussion about it. It was upthread a tad. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/128 "2013-10-11T11:54:40Z")
There was no discussion, only an older cite by what I pointed out was a partisan journalist. Glenn Thrush\> Ryan Lizza as a source. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/129 "2013-10-11T12:14:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > If so, there’s lots of weasels here, but only the conservative ones matter. > > Or, this could be a normal discussion board, but due to the partisan makeup it’s nastier than your average discussion board. I’m not seeing a higher standard of poster here on the left, just more arrogance due to the numbers. > > On any other board, you wouldn’t be a moderator. Or even a particularly highly regarded poster. Although people would be a lot more polite about it. Honestly, the fact that someone like you feels this way makes this forum infinitely better than the large number of shitfests where idiots like you don’t get called on their bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/130 "2013-10-11T12:15:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There was no discussion, only an older cite by what I pointed out was a partisan journalist. Glenn Thrush\> Ryan Lizza as a source. Lizza is not a partisan journalist, and your opinion on his merits as a journalist (by calling him partisan it’s already clear that you’re not familiar with him) is not relevant. You are incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/131 "2013-10-11T12:21:35Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Honestly, the fact that someone like you feels this way makes this forum infinitely better than the large number of shitfests where idiots like you don’t get called on their bullshit. Other forums call out the arguments. This one calls out the poster. Which BTW, is against the rules outside the Pit. Which makes it a shitfest. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/132 "2013-10-11T12:24:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Other forums call out the arguments. This one calls out the poster. Which BTW, is against the rules outside the Pit. Which makes it a shitfest. Posters who constantly spout garbage, don’t learn from their mistakes, and don’t admit when they’ve been shown incorrect should be called out. If other forums don’t do that, that’s a mark against them. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/133 "2013-10-11T15:35:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Remember, folks, if a smarmy person is constantly wrong and you bluntly tell him so, you have a bad attitude. The fault lies with you, not the smug fella who is always wrong and never learns. So think about what you’d lose if **adaher** stopped posting. But the links changed! so he was probably right about everything, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/134 "2013-10-11T15:40:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Right after beating Hillary Clinton? That’s awfully convenient. And then he chose not to share his change of heart with his young supporters? Not very honest of the guy. Perhaps you missed this exchange: > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@adaher](#): > > > > The outdated, selectively released memo to an administration supporter designed to explain his flip-flop in the most positive way possible. > > > > What his advisors are saying now, they re free to say since of course it doesn’t matter anymore. If they’d had such loose lips a year ago, then liberal Dopers would have had to bend over backwards defending their guy. Now they can just laugh it off. > > What are you talking about? The memo is linked in the article, and was written by an administration staffer (not “to an administration supporter”). As far as outdated, it’s more recent than the comments he made during the campaign _which your whole OP is based on._ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/135 "2013-10-11T15:47:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Nah, all it means is that anything he says about the health care law can be assumed to be a lie. I think you’re making real progress. Just a few weeks ago you would have concluded that everything Obama ever said about anything can be assumed to be a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/136 "2013-10-11T15:47:53Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > And I don’t think many of you are idiots in the literal sense. Just idiots compared to how highly intelligent you believe yourselves to be. The thread where I admitted I was wrong a lot, which was responded to by a lot of posters insisting that they are rarely wrong, was pretty enlightening in that regard. > > This board is truly unique. It’s an ostensibly open board that anyone can participate in, but it’s been hijacked by partisans, so in effect it’s like Democratic Underground or Free Republic, just with aspirations of being something better. Problem is, the bubble mentality is getting in the way and actually making it inferior to a lot of regular old discussion boards. So you’re a concern troll in addition to being an ignoramus. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/137 "2013-10-11T16:22:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Posters who constantly spout garbage, don’t learn from their mistakes, and don’t admit when they’ve been shown incorrect should be called out. If other forums don’t do that, that’s a mark against them. What about forums like this one, where they call you out before actually even proving you wrong, or seize on a misunderstanding of what was actually said to attempt to discredit a poster? I have never seen more moderator warnings on a forum than here, and the crazy thing is that they are barely scratching the surface of the dickery that goes on here. Getting so heated in a discussion forum that you need to attack another poster betrays serious emotional stability issues. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/138 "2013-10-11T16:37:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What about forums like this one, where they call you out before actually even proving you wrong, or seize on a misunderstanding of what was actually said to attempt to discredit a poster? > > I have never seen more moderator warnings on a forum than here, and the crazy thing is that they are barely scratching the surface of the dickery that goes on here. > > Getting so heated in a discussion forum that you need to attack another poster betrays serious emotional stability issues. Quit whining, ya big baby. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/139 "2013-10-11T16:40:00Z")
Heh. I can take it. Sometimes I even deserve it(like with the predictions of Romney’s victory). But if someone starts “calling me out” when they haven’t even done the simple due diligence of you know, actually PROVING their case, then I’m going to call them out for their bullshit. I recognize that posters slamming each other is just part of the culture of this board. So I’ll join in the fun when given the opportunity. Because some of you really need to be brought down a few pegs. Your bullshit goes unchallenged, and many of the things that get said here are Bachmann-level stupid. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666/140 "2013-10-11T16:45:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Getting so heated in a discussion forum that you need to attack another poster betrays _serious emotional stability issues_. You might be right, as it’s beginning to seem like replying to your posts is akin to pulling the wings off of flies. Maybe I do need to get professional help… Naaaaw. I’ll buy you a tube of super glue so you can fix the wings and we’ll call it good? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-didnt-change-his-mind-on-the-mandate/670666.md?page=8)