# He has to free the J6ers, right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 22, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613 "2024-11-22T15:11:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/21 "2024-11-22T19:23:45Z")
Why have one army when you can have two? One for the official stuff and another for the shady stuff that professional soldier types won’t do. ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/22 "2024-11-22T19:33:05Z")
Could charges be filed against J6 defendants in other states? Like Virginia or Maryland if they booked hotel rooms in? Would that make it a felony conspiracy charge or something like that. Because they booked the room and then stayed the night before in Maryland or somewhere other than DC (federal jurisdiction); with intent on committing a criminal act? Also could they be charged with wire fraud if they use online booking services? Or if they lived in say California, could their home state file charges since the conspiracy to commit was initiated in that state? Sort of like how if you go overseas to do something involving an underage person, you can be charged here in USA with the crime even if the crime didn’t take place here in America? ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/23 "2024-11-22T19:39:01Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > No pardons for those who engaged in violence. Didn’t you listen to our Great Leader? There was no violence. It was a “day of love.” ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/24 "2024-11-22T19:42:49Z")
He should test out what “official acts are by definition legal” means by issuing an official pardon on day one with a corresponding price list: “1 to 30 days = $5K, 31 days to 3 months $15k” and so on. Cash only, in advance. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/25 "2024-11-22T19:44:42Z")
They’re of no value to him now that he’s re-elected. He won’t give them a second thought, let alone a pardon. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/26 "2024-11-22T19:46:17Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > He won’t give them a second thought At 5K per month? Are you kidding? This is Trump, man. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/27 "2024-11-22T19:51:19Z")
I think pardoning the J6 rioters is the kind of showy, attention-getting move he loves to do. He doesn’t give a crap about them in any way, but it’ll get everyone talking about him and get a lot of praise from his followers. And he just has to do one blanket pardon so it’s not even that much of an effort. I don’t know how many individuals he will bother to pardon, but being able to do one big thing that gets a lot of headlines is totally his style. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/28 "2024-11-22T20:32:50Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > They’re of no value to him now that he’s re-elected. You don’t think he sees any value in a showy move owning the libs? Getting publicity and sticking it to his enemies seem among his highest priorities. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/29 "2024-11-23T00:50:42Z")
> [@HeyHomie](#): > > They’re of no value to him now that he’s re-elected. You could say the same about RFK Jr, but Trump came through with the payback there. If Trump (or Susie Wiles) really thinks there could be a political cost to issuing pardons, he’ll at least commute the sentences of those now serving. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/30 "2024-11-23T01:01:53Z")
He had a chance to pardon them four years ago and he didn’t. He likes insurrectionist militias that didn’t get captured. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/31 "2024-11-23T01:13:09Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He had a chance to pardon them four years ago and he didn’t. My answer is that being convicted of 34 felonies, and then shot, radicalized Donald Trump. However, you make an excellent point. If Trump is hoping for something he has mentioned many times — third term — he might think he needs to throw them under the bus again. P.S. Third term? I am hoping it is premature to set up a thread on issues such as whether the 22nd amendment is self-executing. But eventually we’ll need it. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/32 "2024-11-23T02:21:40Z")
There will be no 3rd term. He will make it through 2 years. Who knows what then. He is not in good shape, drags his foot from a stroke a few years back. Maybe the makeup will come off soon. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/33 "2024-11-23T03:39:16Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > **You’d think that the prospect of a president pardoning a bunch of domestic terrorists and traitors would cause him to lose support,** but here we are. > > I think he will 100% pardon all the J6 traitors of all federal charges. Trump has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by pardoning these terrorists. After all, the American voters selected the leader of this coup as President. IMHO, he’d be in far more trouble politically if he _failed_ to pardon the Jan 6 terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/34 "2024-11-23T03:42:08Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > IMHO, he’d be in far more trouble politically if he _failed_ to pardon the Jan 6 terrorists. Not in any way that he gives a shit about. What are they gonna do, not vote in 2028? His name won’t be on the ballot, he doesn’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/35 "2024-11-23T03:43:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > He had a chance to pardon them four years ago and he didn’t. > > He likes insurrectionist militias that didn’t get captured. Nobody was convicted while he was in office. I don’t think anyone was even arrested yet. Pardoning unnamed people for possible crimes isn’t exactly a straightforward pardon. That kind of constitutionally murky action he would save to use on himself. Pardoning those convicted of federal crimes is as easy as a stroke of a pen. You know every one of them is going to petition for a pardon. Turning them down will make him look bad to his worshipers. He’s going to look like a hero and do it before he’s even asked. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/36 "2024-11-23T03:46:51Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Nobody was convicted while he was in office. I don’t think anyone was even arrested yet. Pardoning unnamed people for possible crimes isn’t exactly a straightforward pardon. That didn’t bother Carter when he pardoned the draft-dodgers. > **[Proclamation 4483](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483)** > > Proclamation 4483, also known as the Granting Pardon for Violations of the Selective Service Act, was a presidential proclamation issued by Jimmy Carter on January 21, 1977. It granted pardons to those who evaded the draft in the Vietnam War by violating the Military Selective Service Act from August 4, 1964, to March 28, 1973. It was implemented through Executive Order 11967. > During the Vietnam War, hundreds of thousands of American men evaded the draft by fleeing the country or failing to re... > [@Loach](#): > > Turning them down will make him look bad to his worshipers. He’s going to look like a hero and do it before he’s even asked. “I don’t care about you. I just want your vote. I don’t care.” > ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/37 "2024-11-23T04:34:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > What are they gonna do, not vote in 2028? His name won’t be on the ballot, he doesn’t care. You are sure Trump will not be on the 2028 ticket. There’s an excellent chance you are correct. But he keeps on talking about third term. Some say it is a joke. But how else is he to stay out of jail? Trump would not see spending his declining years, trapped in the UAE, as a good alternative. So, he’ll pardon the 1,200 January 6 convicts, if only because some are from states that block felons from voting. Could be wrong, but that’s my prediction. It now looks that his most confirmable appointees (Bessent, Rubio, Makary) are the type who will go slow on the MAGA/MAHA agenda. Pardons are a way to convince his campaign contributors they got something for their money. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/38 "2024-11-23T04:50:26Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Mallard](#): > > > > IMHO, he’d be in far more trouble politically if he _failed_ to pardon the Jan 6 terrorists. > > Not in any way that he gives a shit about. What are they gonna do, not vote in 2028? His name won’t be on the ballot, he doesn’t care. 50% of US electorate voted for the Jan 6 coup leader so I don’t think he wants to pi$$ them off, regardless of the fact this is Trumps last term. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/39 "2024-11-23T04:52:33Z")
Are you sure it’s his last term? Because I’m not. He will free them all because MGT will tell him they are really “political prisoners.” And he can use them as his personal militia. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/40 "2024-11-23T05:04:44Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But he keeps on talking about third term. Trump talks about a lot of things he can’t do and has no intention of doing. This isn’t a new phenomenon. Remember “if I’m president Crooked Hillary will be in jail”? > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Pardons are a way to convince his campaign contributors they got something for their money. He doesn’t care about his campaign contributors. He got what he needs from them and now they have nothing else to offer. > [@Mallard](#): > > I don’t think he wants to pi$$ them off He’d probably think not pardoning them is funny. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Are you sure it’s his last term? > > Because I’m not. Just because he won an election doesn’t mean he isn’t still mentally and physically deteriorating. Even if he could somehow get around the Constitution (which he can’t) he’ll be in no shape to run four years from now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613.md?page=3)