# He has to free the J6ers, right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 22, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613 "2024-11-22T15:11:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/61 "2024-11-23T18:25:46Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > This is mob boss stuff. Pure and simple. Like saying Putin is not guilty of the invasion of Ukraine because _he_ never picked up a gun. Yeah, that’s why a smart attorney will word it very carefully. “If you committed an act of violence with bear spray, spears, or etc. in your hand, you’re out of luck. Everyone else, it’s your lucky day.” None of that “you’re just as guilty as the guy who pulled the trigger” stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/62 "2024-11-23T20:20:45Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Exactly right. If he signs the pardon on the 20th he will get to see the Fox and Friends crew praising him for it on the 21st. He loves that. I think Trump needs the adoration the same way he needs to respond to countless petty insults that a normal adult would just ignore. It’s a compulsion. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/63 "2024-11-23T20:49:14Z")
The guy that plans the robbery, and drove the get-away-car is more guilty than those that went into the bank. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/64 "2024-11-23T21:36:28Z")
And I still believe trump is guilty of manslaughter in the deaths of she who got shot, and she who got trampled to death. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/65 "2024-11-23T21:44:00Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > 50% of Americans voted for him. That’s a number that boggles the mind. Go easy on that. He slipped below 50% of votes cast recently and is still dropping, thanks to California. And, of course, 50% of the electorate is not the same as 50% of Americans. I mean, it’s still depressing that he could be elected dogcatcher, much less President, but let’s not make Republican talking points about mandates for them, right? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/66 "2024-11-23T21:46:13Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > I don’t see any way around it. That’s going to be a toxic mess. trump does not keep his promises and to him “loyalty” is a one way street. He had the chance from Jan 6-19th 2021, but he didnt lift a finger. Mind you he may pardon some high profiles ones. > [@gnoitall](#): > > And don’t forget, his idea of loyalty isn’t reciprocal. Their loyalty to him imposes no obligation on him to be loyal, or even favorably-disposed, in return. As far as we know, he would regard them as losers who got caught. > > He could be as loyal to them as he would be to used toilet paper. Exactly. > [@E-DUB](#): > > Why have one army when you can have two? Those incompetent idiots are scattered all over the country. They aint no army. And they make F Troop look like the Special Forces. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/67 "2024-11-23T21:56:07Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > A pardon also signals to those who will be committing more crimes on his behalf during the next four years that he has their back. It also tells the legislators that, having stirred up a mob once to interfere with their business via violence, he’s more than capable of getting those loyal to him to do the same thing again. And when you see those Republican senators who voted for acquittal four years ago, remind them that they had their shot and wimped out. They made their bed, and now they have to lie in it. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2024, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/68 "2024-11-23T22:05:39Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > The guy that plans the robbery, and drove the get-away-car is more guilty than those that went into the bank. Very true, but presidential pardons aren’t subject to those types of legal principles. He can tailor a pardon virtually any way he’d like, which would include pardoning gunmen, but not getaway drivers or planners, or vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/69 "2024-11-24T01:51:08Z")
> [@SunUp](#): > > > [@Mallard](#): > > > > 50% of Americans voted for him. That’s a number that boggles the mind. > > Go easy on that. He slipped below 50% of votes cast recently and is still dropping, thanks to California. **And, of course, 50% of the electorate is not the same as 50% of Americans**. > > I mean, it’s still depressing that he could be elected dogcatcher, much less President, but let’s not make Republican talking points about mandates for them, right? Nor is Harris 48.4% support necessarily of “all” Americans. Agree, the numbers might be better or worse for each candidate, but about as accurate a representation of how Americans feel at the time of the election. No matter how one looks at it, half of Americans want the domestic terrorists to be let off the hook. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/70 "2024-11-25T18:53:46Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > He thinks he has a militia, called the Department of Defense. > > Don’t forget, if you think he’s patterning himself after Hitler, Hitler executed the Brownshirts just as soon as he secured legitimate command of the armed forces. He has better than that - he has 50 state militias that he can call upon, under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution: “The President shall be commander in chief…of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States.” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/71 "2024-11-25T19:06:34Z")
Which are the National Guard. When Federalized, they are integrated into the Department of Defense and the corrsponding armed service chains of command. They don’t become a personal army, any more (or less) than the standing formations of the full-timed armed forces. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/72 "2024-11-25T19:46:28Z")
The National Guard has answered the call to defend our nation a number of times, but I think making extraction squads out of them might be asking a bit much. Unless they’re watched like hawks, a lot of them will come back to headquarters empty handed. The motivation to excel at this project would be nonexistent. Most NG is just a bunch of guys, not incipient Gestapo. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/73 "2024-11-25T20:11:56Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > No matter how one looks at it, half of Americans want the domestic terrorists to be let off the hook. Half of all Americans didn’t even vote in the Election. More precisely, [34% of eligible voters didn’t vote at all](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election). So saying that half of Americans support Trump isn’t really accurate at all. Only 21% of the population voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/74 "2024-11-25T20:48:13Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > As delusional and demented as they are, will they still support the guy that could have pardoned them 4 years ago? Oh, never mind ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/75 "2024-11-25T20:58:19Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > He has better than that - he has 50 state militias that he can call upon, There aren’t that many. Most States just have the National Guard now. > [@gnoitall](#): > > Which are the National Guard. When Federalized, they are integrated into the Department of Defense and the corrsponding armed service chains of command. Right. Some few states still do have a State Militia- Texas for example. > [@Disinfectus](#): > > So saying that half of Americans support Trump isn’t really accurate at all. Only 21% of the population voted for Trump. True for any election, but the ones that vote are the ones that count- and public opinion polls do show overall public opinion. Nor do i really care what a pre-schooler thinks about American Politics. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/76 "2024-11-25T22:57:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > but the ones that vote are the ones that count More accurately, the ones who are eligible to vote are the ones who count. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/77 "2024-11-25T23:21:18Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The National Guard has answered the call to defend our nation a number of times, but I think making extraction squads out of them might be asking a bit much. Unless they’re watched like hawks, a lot of them will come back to headquarters empty handed. One of my sisters is National Guard. I can’t imagine her being gungho about round-up-the-Mexicans duty. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/78 "2024-11-25T23:26:01Z")
> **[Judge dismisses Jan. 6 case against Trump as prez-elect calls prosecution...](https://nypost.com/2024/11/25/us-news/jack-smith-files-motion-to-dismiss-jan-6-case-against-donald-trump-before-his-inauguration/)** > > “These cases, like all of the other cases I have been forced to go through, are empty and lawless, and should never have been brought,” Trump vented on Truth Social. I am so shocked and saddened. I thought atleast it’ll be put on hold for the next 4 years and then the case can be revived. The judge dismissed the case on the recommendation of Jack Smith. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/79 "2024-11-25T23:37:01Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > I am so shocked and saddened. I thought atleast it’ll be put on hold for the next 4 years and then the case can be revived. The case was “dismissed without prejudice,” which means it _could_ be reinstated after Trump leaves office. > [@](#): > > In dismissing the case, Chutkan acknowledged prosecutors’ request to do so “without prejudice,” raising the possibility that they could try to bring charges against Trump when his term is over. She wrote that is “consistent with the Government’s understanding that the immunity afforded to a sitting President is temporary, expiring when they leave office.” > > But such a move may be barred by the statute of limitations, and Trump may also try to pardon himself while in office. > **[Special counsel moves to abandon election interference and classified...](https://apnews.com/article/trump-capitol-riot-justice-department-jack-smith-d6172cf98d8e03e099571c908267456c)** > > Federal prosecutors have moved to abandon two criminal cases against Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613/80 "2024-11-26T00:27:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > > > He has better than that - he has 50 state militias that he can call upon, > > There aren’t that many. Most States just have the National Guard now. > > > [@gnoitall](#): > > > > Which are the National Guard. When Federalized, they are integrated into the Department of Defense and the corrsponding armed service chains of command. > > Right. Some few states still do have a State Militia- Texas for example. Those state militias are just that, part of the state. They are not connected to the federal military at all and can not be federalized. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-has-to-free-the-j6ers-right/1010613.md?page=5)