# He Hate Me Fantasy Football 2025 - Year 23 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743 "2025-08-05T22:24:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/1 "2025-08-05T22:24:23Z")
Once more into the breach! I renewed the league a few weeks ago; only five other owners have joined so far. I’ll send reminders shortly. Keeper Rules 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the second round (third rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incurs a two round penalty (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) **Hall of Fame** [2003 - Year 1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924) Winner: mouthbreather [2004 - Year 2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-sdmb-fantasy-football-league/240522) Winner: Spiritus Mundi [2005 - Year 3](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yahoo-fantasy-football-signup-now-open/311152) Winner: Spiritus Mundi ([thread #2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-mid-season-draft-review-2006/329270)) [2006 - Year 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113) Winner: The Mad Hermit [2007 - Year 5](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801) Winner: Nurse Carmen [2008 - Year 6](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-some-me-ff-keeper-league/447318) Winner: Weirddave [2009 - Year 7](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-yr-7/504074) Winner: VarlosZ [2010 - Year 8](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-8/548576) Winner: Weirddave [2011 - Year 9](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-9/591413) Winner: Really Not All That Bright [2012 - Year 10](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-10/625142) Winner: Really Not All That Bright [2013 - Year 11](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712) Winner: VarlosZ [2014 - Year 12](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-12/690989) Winner: Ottoerotic [2015 - Year 13](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-13/728013) Winner: Weirddave [2016 - Year 14](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435) Winner: motu [2017 - Year 15](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572) Winner: Johnny Ace [2018 - Year 16](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242) Winner: dalej42 [2019 - Year 17](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-leage-2019-year-17/838974) Winner: Weirddave [2020 - Year 18](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2020-year-18/917277) Winner: Weirddave [2021 - Year 19](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2021-year-19/948348) Winner: AlsoNamedBort [2022 - Year 20](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337) Winner: Damar Hamlin (dalej42 and Wilson) [2023 - Year 21](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2023-year-21/986733) Winner: dalej42 [2024 - Year 22](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2024-year-22/1005297) Winner: Senor Beef I’ll post eligible keepers shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/2 "2025-08-05T22:27:19Z")
Tagging some owners who haven’t rejoined yet: @Omniscient @Really_Not_All_That_Bright @motu @Hamlet @The_Mad_Hermit @AlsoNamedBort @Frosted_Glass ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/3 "2025-08-05T22:28:22Z")
Got quite a few players not eligible to be kept because they’ve been kept twice already: | Team | Player | | --- | --- | | Exploding Pancakes | Christian Watson | | Nine Inch Neils | Jameson Williams | | Hermits | Trevor Lawrence | | Hermits | Jaylen Warren | | Moridwon (Hamlet) | Brian Robinson Jr. | | Moridwon (Hamlet) | Calvin Ridley | | Carcosa Yellow Kings | Kyler Murray | | Big Mack Attack | Rachaad White | | Chicago Cardinals | Isiah Pacheco | ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/4 "2025-08-05T22:31:34Z")
Eligible keepers - please check my work and raise any issues. | Team/Rd | Name | Notes | | --- | --- | --- | | (Frosty’s) Post Mahomes | | | | 3 | Jalen Hurts | | | 4 | James Conner | | | 6 | Jayden Reed | | | 7 | David Njoku | | | 8 | JK Dobbins | traded from Neils through Carcosa | | 10 | DeAndre Hopkins | | | 12 | Pittsburgh | | | 13 | Bo Nix | | | 15 | Xavier Legette | | | Disgruntled Goats | | | | 3 | Patrick Mahomes | | | 4 | Alvin Kamara | | | 5 | Najee Harris | | | 9 | Tyler Allgeier | | | 10 | Jerry Jeudy | | | 12 | Puka Nacua  | Kept 2024 | | Spiritus Mundane | | | | 3 | Davante Adams | | | 4 | George Pickens | | | 5 | Kyle Pitts Sr. | | | 6 | Brian Thomas Jr. | | | 7 | Jonathon Brooks | | | 9 | Chuba Hubbard  | Kept 2024 | | 11 | Jordan Love  | Kept 2024 | | 12 | Jalen McMillan | | | 13 | Braelon Allen | | | 15 | Ka’imi Fairbairn | | | 16 | J.J. McCarthy | | | Scotty ShadowFax | | | | 3 | DeVonta Smith | | | 4 | Tank Dell | | | 5 | Rhamondre Stevenson | | | 7 | Jake Ferguson | | | 10 | Aaron Rodgers | | | 12 | Darnell Mooney | | | Baltimore Weirdos | | | | 3 | D’Andre Swift  | Kept 2024 | | 4 | David Montgomery | | | 5 | Joe Burrow | | | 5 | Tee Higgins | traded from Carcosa | | 11 | Tyler Lockett | | | 13 | Justin Tucker | | | 14 | Keaton Mitchell  | Kept 2024 | | 16 | Jalen Tolbert | | | Exploding Pancakes | | | | 3 | James Cook | | | 4 | George Kittle | | | 5 | De’Von Achane  | Kept 2024 | | 6 | Jared Goff | | | 7 | Jaxon Smith-Njigba | | | 8 | Jordan Addison | | | 10 | T.J. Hockenson | | | 12 | Kansas City | | | 13 | Brandon Aubrey | | | 14 | Zack Moss  | Kept 2024 | | Fourth & Nineteen | | | | 3 | Jaylen Waddle | | | 4 | Amari Cooper | | | 5 | Tony Pollard | | | 6 | Jayden Daniels | | | 7 | Rico Dowdle | | | 8 | Tua Tagovailoa | | | 9 | Cole Kmet | | | 12 | Jordan Mason | | | Nine Inch Neils | | | | 3 | Trey McBride | | | 4 | Aaron Jones Sr. | | | 7 | Brock Purdy  | kept 2024 | | 10 | MarShawn Lloyd | | | 14 | Drake Maye | | | 15 | Cam Akers | | | Hermits | | | | 3 | DK Metcalf | | | 4 | C.J. Stroud | | | 6 | Austin Ekeler | | | 7 | Courtland Sutton | | | 8 | Dalton Schultz | | | 13 | Cordarrelle Patterson | | | Moridwon (Hamlet) | | | | 3 | DJ Moore | | | 4 | Mark Andrews | | | 8 | Nick Chubb | | | 10 | Justin Herbert | | | 12 | Zach Charbonnet | | | Carcosa Yellow Kings | | | | 4 | Kenneth Walker III | | | 6 | Xavier Worthy | | | 8 | Brock Bowers | | | 12 | Antonio Gibson | | | 13 | Kimani Vidal | | | 16 | Kendre Miller | | | Omnipotents | | | | 3 | Lamar Jackson | | | 4 | Raheem Mostert | | | 6 | Rome Odunze | | | 7 | Khalil Shakir | | | 8 | Matthew Stafford | | | 9 | Sam LaPorta  | kept 2024 | | 11 | Rashod Bateman | | | 12 | Chase Brown  | kept 2024 | | 13 | New Orleans | | | 15 | Ben Sinnott | | | 16 | Isaac Guerendo | | | Big Mack Attack | | | | 3 | Dalton Kincaid | | | 4 | Malik Nabers | | | 6 | Zay Flowers  | kept 2024 | | 7 | Caleb Williams | | | 8 | Keon Coleman | | | 10 | Ray Davis | | | 12 | Rashee Rice  | kept 2024 | | 13 | Tyrone Tracy Jr. | | | Chicago Cardinals | | | | 3 | Terry McLaurin | | | 5 | Devin Singletary | | | 7 | Tyjae Spears | | | 8 | Ladd McConkey | | | 9 | Bucky Irving | | | 11 | Baker Mayfield | | | 14 | Miami | | | 15 | Hunter Henry | | ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/5 "2025-08-06T00:31:18Z")
Thanks Wilson! If you get a sec, could you link to the new season. I’m not seeing an invite in my email. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/6 "2025-08-06T14:40:39Z")
I’m back. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/7 "2025-08-06T15:57:41Z")
Reminders just sent. @Hamlet let me know if you don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/8 "2025-08-06T15:59:06Z")
Thoughts on draft date? When is the Dynasty League drafting - wouldn’t want to clash with that… ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/9 "2025-08-06T22:24:53Z")
The Dynasty league drafts offline over a couple of weeks, so this draft shouldn’t interfere with it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/10 "2025-08-06T22:54:10Z")
Don’t we usually do the Tuesday after labor day? That works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/11 "2025-08-07T14:38:00Z")
Draft time is set for Tuesday the 2nd, 8:45pm eastern. Let’s aim for keepers by August 30th. Mine will be Jayden Daniels in the 4th and Jordan Mason in the 10th, subject to change of course. Just FYI, I’ll be away on vacation from the 8th through the 20th, and probably won’t be checking here. Still can be reached via email or through the Yahoo league. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/12 "2025-08-07T14:58:08Z")
Thanks for setting it up again Wilson. I’ll be keeping Bowers, not sure about Worthy just yet. Also, everyone should join the Guillotine league. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2025, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/13 "2025-08-08T03:25:49Z")
I’m here! Tentatively keeping Drake Maye in R12 and Cam Akers in R13. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/14 "2025-08-09T19:03:42Z")
Preliminary Keepers: - Brian Thomas Jr (4th) - Jordan Love (9th) - J.J. McCarthy (14th) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/15 "2025-08-10T03:34:31Z")
Hi guys. 2024, 2025, and 2026 champ here. Barring something happening to make me change my mind I’ll be keeping De’von Achane in the third, Jaxon Smith-Njigba in the 5th, and TJ Hockensen in the 8th. While none of these are the best keepers in the league, I think they’re probably 3 of the top 8 or so, and I’d put them up against anyone’s three. ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/16 "2025-08-11T20:54:27Z")
Thanks Wilson! Back in and I’m at least keeping Nix in the 11th for now. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/17 "2025-08-11T20:59:20Z")
What’s the draft order? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/18 "2025-08-18T02:20:02Z")
As of now, I’ll be kerping Justin Herbert for an 8th round pick and Zach Charbonnet for a 10th round pick. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/19 "2025-08-20T10:05:51Z")
It says 12/14 joined on yahoo but shows all 14 teams in the team list. Who are we missing? You may want to start beating them with a stick. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743/20 "2025-08-21T16:41:45Z")
Just back from vacation… will publish the draft order in the next day or two. The two missing are @The_Mad_Hermit and Weirddave’s offline friend. I’ll start working on both soon. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-fantasy-football-2025-year-23/1021743.md?page=2)