# He Hate Me FF Keeper League – Year 11 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 30, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712 "2013-05-30T14:47:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/1 "2013-05-30T14:47:40Z")
[Link to league homepage](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/8635) Schedule Offseason Trade Deadline: dunno yet Keeper Declaration: Thursday 8/1/13 (tentative) Live Draft: 9/1/2013 at 9:00pm Eastern (tentative) Keeper Rules 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the second round (third rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incurs a two round penalty (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) Hall of Fame Year 1 winner: **mouthbreather** Year 2 winner: **Spiritus Mundi** Year 3 winner: **Spiritus Mundi** Year 4 winner: **The Mad Hermit** Year 5 winner: **Nurse Carmen** Year 6 winner: **Weirddave** Year 7 winner: **VarlosZ** Year 8 winner: **Weirddave** Year 9 winner: **Really Not All That Bright** Year 10 winner: **Really Not All That Bright** **League History** **2003 Season 1** [The SDMB “He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not” Football League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=199147) **2004 Season 2** [Upcoming SDMB fantasy football league…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=251453) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Review](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286234) [SDMB H.H.M. Keeper League Rules Ballot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290993) **2005 Season 3** [Yahoo fantasy football signup now open…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324132) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Draft Review 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342937) Season wrap-up [post=7136352]here[/post] **2006 Season 4** [He Hate Me FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374061) Season wrap-up [post=8131857]here[/post] **2007 Season 5** [He Hate Me So Bad FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=423632) Season wrap-up [post=9386723]here[/post] **2008 Season 6** [He Hate Me Some Me FF Keeper League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465946) **2009 Season 7** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - yr 7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525636) **2010 Season 8** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=572812) **2011 Season 9** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=618920) **2012 Season 10** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655233) **Draft Order:** 4th and 19 HungryHungryHarus Spiritus Mundane Omnipotents Crabby Hermits Varlos’ Zzzzzz Exploding Pancakes Hamlet TaiwanJonesExpress No Use For a Name Baltimore Weirdos Fightin’ Quakers Munch RNATB Keeper eligible players to be posted soon. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/2 "2013-05-30T15:00:08Z")
The number on the left is the round the player can be kept in. \*\*Baltimore Weirdos \*\* 1 Miles Austin (Dal - WR) 2 Eric Decker (Den - WR) 3 Robert Griffin III (Was - QB) 4 Anquan Boldin (SF - WR) 6 Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE) Keeper in 2012 8 Baltimore (Bal - DEF) 9 Andy Dalton (Cin - QB) **Spiritus Mundane** 1 Marques Colston (NO - WR) 2 Antonio Gates (SD - TE) 4 Torrey Smith (Bal - WR) 7 Michael Crabtree (SF - WR) 8 Felix Jones (Phi - RB) 9 LaMichael James (SF - RB) 10 Denarius Moore (Oak - WR) Keeper in 2012 12 New England (NE - DEF) **HungryHungryHaruspex** 1 Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) 2 Percy Harvin (Sea - WR) 3 Demaryius Thomas (Den - WR) 4 Jason Witten (Dal - TE) 5 Rashad Jennings (Oak - RB) 6 Jordy Nelson (GB - WR) Keeper in 2012 9 Bilal Powell (NYJ - RB) 11 Green Bay (GB - DEF) 14 Lawrence Tynes (NYG - K) \*\*Fightin’ Quakers \*\* 1 Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR) 2 Peyton Manning (Den - QB) 3 David Wilson (NYG - RB) 4 Stevan Ridley (NE - RB) Keeper in 2012 7 Chicago (Chi - DEF) 8 Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE) traded from RNATB **Omnipotents** 1 Frank Gore (SF - RB) 2 BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Cin - RB) 3 DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB) 4 Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR) 5 Pierre Garcon (Was - WR) 6 Mikel Leshoure (Det - RB) 7 Alshon Jeffery (Chi - WR) 8 Robert Turbin (Sea - RB) 9 Greg Olsen (Car - TE) 11 Jacob Tamme (Den - TE) 13 Atlanta (Atl - DEF) **Varlos’ Zzzzzzz** 1 Dez Bryant (Dal - WR) 2 Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB) 3 DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) 5 Jay Cutler (Chi - QB) 6 Ryan Fitzpatrick (Ten - QB) 10 New York (NYJ - DEF) 11 Davone Bess (Cle - WR) 12 Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K) 13 Emmanuel Sanders (Pit - WR) **Fourth & Nineteen** 1 Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR) 2 Shonn Greene (Ten - RB) 3 Mark Ingram (NO - RB) 4 Cam Newton (Car - QB) Keeper in 2012 5 Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE) 7 Darren Sproles (NO - RB) Keeper in 2012 8 Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB) 9 Brandon LaFell (Car - WR) 10 Sam Bradford (StL - QB) 13 Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE) **TaiwanJonesExpress** 1 Reggie Bush (Det - RB) 2 Donald Brown (Ind - RB) 3 Jimmy Graham (NO - TE) Keeper in 2012 5 Malcom Floyd (SD - WR) 6 Lance Moore (NO - WR) 8 Doug Baldwin (Sea - WR) 9 Taiwan Jones (Oak - RB) 12 New York (NYG - DEF) 13 Kevin Walter (Ten - WR) 14 Dan Bailey (Dal - K) \*\*No Use For A Name \*\* 1 Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR) 2 Tony Romo (Dal - QB) 3 Jermichael Finley (GB - TE) 5 Isaac Redman (Pit - RB) 6 Justin Blackmon (Jac - WR) 7 Kendall Wright (Ten - WR) 8 Joe Flacco (Bal - QB) 10 Houston (Hou - DEF) 11 Victor Cruz (NYG - WR) Keeper in 2012 14 Greg Zuerlein (StL - K) \*\*Exploding Pancakes \*\* 1 Matthew Stafford (Det - QB) Keeper in 2012 3 Vernon Davis (SF - TE) 4 Jacquizz Rodgers (Atl - RB) 7 Nate Washington (Ten - WR) 10 Alfred Morris (Was - RB) 11 Toby Gerhart (Min - RB) Keeper in 2012 \*\*Moridwon (Hamlet) \*\* 3 Andrew Luck (Ind - QB) 4 Darren McFadden (Oak - RB) Keeper in 2012 5 Brandon Pettigrew (Det - TE) 7 Randall Cobb (GB - WR) 9 Danny Amendola (NE - WR) 10 Alex Green (GB - RB) **Off Constantly** 1 DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB) Keeper in 2012 2 Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Keeper in 2012 3 A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Keeper in 2012 4 Ben Tate (Hou - RB) 5 Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) 6 C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB) 7 San Francisco (SF - DEF) 10 Mario Manningham (SF - WR) 11 Carson Palmer (Ari - QB) 14 Stephen Hill (NYJ - WR) Crabby Hermits 1 Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE) 2 Michael Bush (Chi - RB) Keeper in 2012 3 Steve Smith (Car - WR) Keeper in 2012 4 Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB) 5 Pierre Thomas (NO - RB) 6 Darrius Heyward-Bey (Ind - WR) [del]9 Antonio Brown (Pit - WR)[/del] Keeper in 2011 and 2012 (inelgible) 10 Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF) 11 Santana Moss (Was - WR) 12 Chris Rainey (Pit - RB) \*\*9 Inch Neils (RNATB) \*\* 1 Wes Welker (Den - WR) Keeper in 2012 [del]2 Vincent Jackson (TB - WR)[/del] Keeper in 2011 and 2012 (inelgible) 3 Philip Rivers (SD - QB) 5 Rashard Mendenhall (Ari - RB) 5 Kyle Rudolph (Min - TE) traded from Quakers [del]6 Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)[/del] Keeper in 2011 and 2012 (inelgible) 7 Mike Williams (TB - WR) 9 Josh Freeman (TB - QB) 10 Seattle (Sea - DEF) 14 Matt Bryant (Atl - K) ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/3 "2013-05-30T20:51:15Z")
Cam Newton was actually a 7th round pick last year… I had no sixth round pick. So he should be eligible to be kept in the 5th round. Yeah, I know, it’s one spot difference since I pick 1st in round 5 - but I hope to trade down in that round. Also, Stevie Johnson was a fourth round pick (I had two 4th and no 3rd), so I could keep him in the 2nd. Not bloody likely. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/4 "2013-05-30T21:15:53Z")
…and looking further, Tony Gonzalez was an 8th round pick, as I had two 8th rounders. So I think my corrected list should be: Fourth & Nineteen 2 Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR) 2 Shonn Greene (Ten - RB) 3 Mark Ingram (NO - RB) 5 Cam Newton (Car - QB) Keeper in 2012 6 Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE) 7 Darren Sproles (NO - RB) Keeper in 2012 8 Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB) 9 Brandon LaFell (Car - WR) 10 Sam Bradford (StL - QB) 13 Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE) I’ll be looking to trade back in rounds 5 and 7, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/5 "2013-05-30T21:21:32Z")
**Munch** , I think you would have to make some similar changes to your keeper eligible rounds… you had my 3rd and 6th round picks, I had your 4th and 8th. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/6 "2013-05-30T21:34:50Z")
Thanks for catching that guys! Off Constantly 1 DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB) Keeper in 2012 1 Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Keeper in 2012 3 A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Keeper in 2012 4 Ben Tate (Hou - RB) 4 Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) 5 C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB) 7 San Francisco (SF - DEF) 11 Mario Manningham (SF - WR) 12 Carson Palmer (Ari - QB) 14 Stephen Hill (NYJ - WR) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/7 "2013-05-31T01:58:20Z")
Looking at my list, I thought it was pretty crappy to only have one likely keeper. But Alfred Morris in the 10th is a good value, and it looks like very few other people have any more than one slam dunk keeper, so maybe I’m alright. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/8 "2013-05-31T13:12:15Z")
I’ll go through the list again and see if there are any other errors. Man - I was hoping for a late 2nd round Julio Jones… ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/9 "2013-05-31T13:46:56Z")
Here are the teams that have corrections: **Fourth & Nineteen** 2 Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR) 2 Shonn Greene (Ten - RB) 3 Mark Ingram (NO - RB) 5 Cam Newton (Car - QB) Keeper in 2012 6 Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE) 7 Darren Sproles (NO - RB) Keeper in 2012 8 Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB) 9 Brandon LaFell (Car - WR) 10 Sam Bradford (StL - QB) 13 Martellus Bennett (Chi - TE) **Off Constantly** 1 DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB) Keeper in 2012 1 Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Keeper in 2012 3 A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Keeper in 2012 4 Ben Tate (Hou - RB) 4 Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) 5 C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB) 7 San Francisco (SF - DEF) 11 Mario Manningham (SF - WR) 12 Carson Palmer (Ari - QB) 14 Stephen Hill (NYJ - WR) \*\*9 Inch Neils (RNATB) \*\* 1 Wes Welker (Den - WR) Keeper in 2012 [del]2 Vincent Jackson (TB - WR)[/del] Keeper in 2011 and 2012 (inelgible) 3 Philip Rivers (SD - QB) 5 Rashard Mendenhall (Ari - RB) 5 Kyle Rudolph (Min - TE) traded from Quakers [del]6 Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)[/del] Keeper in 2011 and 2012 (inelgible) 7 Mike Williams (TB - WR) 9 Josh Freeman (TB - QB) 9 Seattle (Sea - DEF) 13 Matt Bryant (Atl - K) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/10 "2013-06-06T15:12:19Z")
From three awesome keepers last year I am left with Mike Williams and Josh Freeman. I suspect a three-peat is not in the cards. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/11 "2013-06-06T19:59:05Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > **Omnipotents** > 1 Frank Gore (SF - RB) > 2 BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Cin - RB) > 3 DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB) > 4 Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR) > 5 Pierre Garcon (Was - WR) > 6 Mikel Leshoure (Det - RB) > 7 Alshon Jeffery (Chi - WR) > 8 Robert Turbin (Sea - RB) > 9 Greg Olsen (Car - TE) > 11 Jacob Tamme (Den - TE) > 13 Atlanta (Atl - DEF) Hmm, I might actually have something to work with this year. Those 6-7-8-9 picks all have some potential to be decent and I think Wayne or Garcon could be solid keepers as those rookies develop. Early guesses: Wayne, Leshoure and Jeffery. ---
**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/12 "2013-06-26T14:57:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Crabby Hermits > 1 Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE) Graham for Hernandez? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/13 "2013-07-04T02:54:56Z")
Wow, I guess I have a killer lineup. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/14 "2013-07-05T04:36:52Z")
Make sure you keep Aaron Hernandez. With Gronk injured, he’s in line for a huge number of targets this year. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/15 "2013-07-31T15:05:21Z")
Bumping this. We’re still missing the following teams: TaiwanJonesExpress Spiritus Mundane HungryHungryHaruspex Baltimore Weirdos Omnipotents A few of those teams have their email hidden. I also know that Dave is no longer on the SDMB. Anyone have a way to contact him, or anyone else on the list? ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2013, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/16 "2013-08-03T20:17:26Z")
I thought I posted here, I don’t know what happened. I accepted the invite and I’m in (I’m HungryHungryHaruspex). I’ll keep Demaryius Thomas in the 3rd and Jordy Nelson in the 6th. If you want the rights to Thomas, he’s available. Let me know what you have in mind. He’s currently averaging in the 20s for ADP. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/17 "2013-08-05T14:11:40Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Keeper Declaration: Thursday 8/1/13 (tentative) Please ignore this. We’ll be going with 8/25 - a week before the draft. Speaking of which, the draft is currently set for Sunday 9/1. That’s Labor Day Weekend. Please let me know if that’s going to be a problem. I’m thinking maybe we do it that Tuesday? Provide your thoughts either here or on the league page (for those who can’t post here). Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/18 "2013-08-05T14:20:29Z")
> [@BabaBooey](#): > > Graham for Hernandez? Baba - you’re TaiwanJonesExpress, right? Did you get the invite? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/19 "2013-08-05T14:22:43Z")
I will have class until past 9 ET on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays, I would strongly prefer a Thursday/weekend draft. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > From three awesome keepers last year I am left with Mike Williams and Josh Freeman. I suspect a three-peat is not in the cards. I’m gonna keep Mendenhall too. Amusingly, I won’t have to trade any picks since I already pick last in odd rounds and all my keepers fall in them. The rights to all three keepers are available for trade, incidentally. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2013, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/20 "2013-08-05T22:48:59Z")
I thought this league always drafted on the Sunday of labor day weekend. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712.md?page=2)