# He Hate Me FF Keeper League – Year 11
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712
**Category:** The Game Room
**Created:** [May 30, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712 "2013-05-30T14:47:40Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)
#### Post date: [August 25, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/81 "2013-08-25T14:38:07Z")
> [@](#):
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> Well, that’s ugly.
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> I will be keeping Torrey Smith at 4.12 and Denarius Moore at 8.12 (though I may change my mind again before Sunday.)
Okay - uglier than I thought, after checkingn out a couple of preseason games. Think I will try to forget last year ever happened and start with a clean slate.
No keepers for me.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [August 25, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/82 "2013-08-25T14:41:39Z")
I’m just keeping Alfred Morris in the 10th.
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### Author:  [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)
#### Post date: [August 25, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/83 "2013-08-25T15:10:52Z")
I’ll be keeping Victor Cruz in the 11th.
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### Author:  [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)
#### Post date: [August 25, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/84 "2013-08-25T20:43:31Z")
The Hermit’s still here, lurking almost every day.
With the great season I had last year and the fact that my top candidate is Hernandez, I’ll be keeping none this time. Going for a fresh start.
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### Author:  [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)
#### Post date: [August 25, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/85 "2013-08-25T21:55:45Z")
Keeping David Wilson in 3rd, Stevan Ridley in 4th.
If anyone wants to make a last-minute trade, I have the 3rd pick in the 2nd round and am willing to trade down. Looking to move me up from the 12 spot in the first round.
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/86 "2013-08-26T00:01:33Z")
I’m keeping Garcon and Olsen.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/87 "2013-08-26T00:41:41Z")
I’m keeping josh Freeman, mike Williams and mendenhall.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/88 "2013-08-26T01:24:48Z")
I’ll be keeping AJ Green and CJ Spiller.
Edit: Invite to Ottoerotic has been sent.
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### Author:  [@Ottoerotic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ottoerotic)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/89 "2013-08-26T02:56:20Z")
Thanks for the invite everyone, I’ll be keeping Graham in the 3rd.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/90 "2013-08-26T13:09:27Z")
Okay, going over my list, I have the following keepers for everyone:
4th and 19: nobody
Baltimore Weirdos: Andy Dalton
Crabby Hermits: nobody
Exploding Pancakes: Alfred Morris
Fightin’ Quakers: David Wilson, Stevan Ridley
Hamlet: nobody
HungryHungryHarus: nobody
Munch: AJ Green, CJ Spiller
No Use For a Name: Victor Cruz
Omnipotents: Greg Olsen, Pierre Garcon
Ottoman Empire: Jimmy Graham
RNATB: Josh Freeman, Mendenhall, Mike Williams
Spiritus Mundane: nobody
Varlos’ Zzzzzz: nobody
Does that look right?
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/91 "2013-08-26T13:18:50Z")
That’s quite a short list of keepers, isn’t it? What would you guess is the league average number of keepers every year? That barely affects the top of the draft - only Morris, Green, and Graham would likely be top picks.
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/92 "2013-08-26T13:24:34Z")
Whoops - missed Wilson’s keepers of Newton, Gonzalez and Sproles.
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/93 "2013-08-26T13:31:14Z")
> [@Munch](#):
>
> Okay, going over my list, I have the following keepers for everyone:
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> 4th and 19: nobody
> Baltimore Weirdos: Andy Dalton
> Crabby Hermits: nobody
> Exploding Pancakes: Alfred Morris
> Fightin’ Quakers: David Wilson, Stevan Ridley
> Hamlet: nobody
> HungryHungryHarus: nobody
> Munch: AJ Green, CJ Spiller
> No Use For a Name: Victor Cruz
> Omnipotents: Greg Olsen, Pierre Garcon
> Ottoman Empire: Jimmy Graham
> RNATB: Josh Freeman, Mendenhall, Mike Williams
> Spiritus Mundane: nobody
> Varlos’ Zzzzzz: nobody
>
> Does that look right?
I wanted to keep Randall Cobb, Danny Amend ola, and Darren McFadden.
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/94 "2013-08-26T13:38:36Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> That’s quite a short list of keepers, isn’t it? What would you guess is the league average number of keepers every year? That barely affects the top of the draft - only Morris, Green, and Graham would likely be top picks.
The 2 round penalty basically ensures that. The only first round grade players who can be kept are the ones that didn’t have a first or second round grade last year. For the sake of comparison, here is the list of kept players from 2012:
> [@](#):
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> Baltimore Weirdos
> 8. Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE)
> 5. Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
> X. Torrey Smith (Bal - WR)
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> Omni’s Omnipotents
> 12. Jake Locker (Ten - QB)
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> Fourth & Nineteen
> 7. Cam Newton (Car - QB)
> 9. Darren Sproles (NO - RB)
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> Spiritus Mundane
> 12. Denarius Moore (Oak - WR)
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> HungryHungryHaruspex
> 8. Jordy Nelson (GB - WR)
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> Off Constantly
> 5. A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
> 3. DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
> 3. Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
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> DrewBrees’sBirthmark
> 5. Jimmy Graham (NO - TE)
> 13. Chris Ivory (NO - RB)
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> Moridwon (Hamlet)
> 6. Darren McFadden (Oak - RB)
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> Fightin’ Quakers
> 6. Stevan Ridley (NE - RB)
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> Crabby Hermits
> 5. Steve Smith (Car - WR)
> 11. Antonio Brown (Pit - WR)
> 4. Michael Bush (Chi - RB)
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> Nine Inch Neils (RNATB)
> 8. Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)
> 3. Wes Welker (NE - WR)
> 4. Vincent Jackson (TB - WR)
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> No Use For A Name
> 13. Victor Cruz (NYG - WR)
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> Exploding Pancakes
> 3. Matthew Stafford (Det - QB)
> 13. Toby Gerhart (Min - RB)
> 14. David Akers (SF - K)
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> Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
> None
2011:
> [@](#):
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> 1. Jules Andre (HungryHungryHaruspex)
> LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB) 2nd round - kept last year
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> 2. Ellis Dee (New York Fanboys)
> Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) 4th round - kept last year
> Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR) 8th round - kept last year
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> 3. The Mad Hermit (Crabby Hermits)
> Jerricho Cotchery (NYJ - WR) 8th round
> Antonio Brown (Pit - WR) 13th round
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> 4. Wilson (Fourth & Nineteen)
> Austin Collie (Ind - WR) 8th round
> Mike Williams (Sea - WR) 10th round
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> 5. Bababooey (DrewBrees’sBirthmark)
> Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB) 5th round
> Javon Ringer (Ten - RB) 9th round
> LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB) 12th round
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> 6. DragonAsh (ViQueens)
> Matthew Stafford (Det - QB) 5th round
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> 7. Omniscient (Omni’s Omnipotents)
> Sam Bradford (StL - QB) 9th round
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> 8. Hamlet (Moridwon)
> Vincent Jackson (SD - WR) 6th round
> Darren McFadden (Oak - RB) 8th round
> Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB) 10th round
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> 9. RNATB (9 Inch Neils)
> No keepers.
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> 10. VarlosZ (Varlos’ Zzzzzzz)
> Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR) 4th round
> Mario Manningham (NYG - WR) 11th round - kept last year
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> 11. Munch (Off Constantly)
> Jamaal Charles (KC - RB) 3th round - kept last year
> Vernon Davis (SF - TE) 10th round - kept last year
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> 12. Spiritus Mundi (Spiritus Mundane)
> Mike Wallace (Pit - WR) 4th round
> Josh Freeman (TB - QB) 12th round
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> 13. furt (Fightin’ Quakers)
> Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR) 9th round - kept last year
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> 14. Weirddave (Baltimore Weirdos)
> Peyton Hillis (Cle - RB) 5th round
> Mike Williams (TB - WR) 6th round
> Miles Austin (Dal - WR) 7th round - kept last year
And 2010:
> [@](#):
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> Ellis Dee
> 6th Ahmad Bradshaw (RB-NYG)
> 8th Jets (DEF-NYJ)
> 10th Hakeem Nicks (WR-NYG)
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> furt
> 3rd Rashard Mendenhall (RB-Pit)
> 10th Darren Sproles (RB-SD)
> 11th Jeremy Maclin (WR-Phi)
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> Hamlet
> 3rd Beanie Wells (RB-Ari)
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> Jules Andre
> 4th LeSean McCoy (RB-Phi)
> 10th Matt Ryan (QB-Atl)
> 12th Brent Celek (TE-Phi)
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> Munch
> 5th Jamaal Charles (RB-KC)
> 6th Jay Cutler (QB-Chi)
> 12th Vernon Davis (TE-SF)
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> NurseCarmen
> 4th Cedric Benson (RB-Cin)
> 9th Eddie Royal (WR-Den)
> 10th Heath Miller (TE-Pit)
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> Omniscient
> 3rd Chris Johnson (RB-Ten)
> 5th Philip Rivers (QB-SD)
> 7th Michael Crabtree (WR-SF)
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> RNATB
> 7th Steve Smith (WR-NYG)
> 9th Percy Harvin (WR-Min)
> 10th Carnell Williams (RB-TB)
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> Spiritus Mundi
> 6th Desean Jackson (WR-Phi)
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> The Mad Hermit
> 14th Mewelde Moore (RB-Pit)
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> VarlosZ
> 4th Aaron Rodgers (QB-GB)
> 13th Mario Manningham (WR-NYG)
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> Weirddave
> 2nd Ray Rice (RB-Bal)
> 4th Matt Schaub (QB-Hou)
> 9th Miles Austin (WR-Dal)
Apparently when I won the league in 2011 I did it without any keepers. Go me!
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/95 "2013-08-26T13:39:51Z")
Okay, I’m currently at:
Team Total Keepers
9 Inch Neils (RNATB) 3
Off Constantly 2
Fourth & Nineteen 3
Fightin’ Quakers 2
Moridwon (Hamlet) 3
Exploding Pancakes 1
Crabby Hermits 0
No Use For A Name 1
Varlos’ Zzzzzzz 0
HungryHungryHaruspex 2 (forgot D. Thomas and Nelson)
Baltimore Weirdos 1
Spiritus Mundane 0
Omnipotents 2
Ottoman Empire 1
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/96 "2013-08-26T14:06:20Z")
Everyone check the draft page to make sure I have this right so far:
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### Author:  [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/97 "2013-08-26T14:40:06Z")
Mine are correct.
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### Author:  [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/98 "2013-08-26T15:36:18Z")
I missed the whole discussion on trading “keeper slots”. I find myself fundamentally agreeing with \*\*senorbeef \*\*on thsi one, but I would frame it slightly differently. I think everyone understands that these trades are beneficial for the players making the exchange. I think everyone also understands that there is no down side for teh players making the exchange. Since draft position is clearly a zero sum game, that means the advatage for the teams making the trade is realized by creating a disadvantage to every other team in the league. This makes such trades essentially unbalanced, not between the teams making the trades but between the traders and teh rest of the league. I had never really given it much thought until I caught up on this discussion, but the analysis seems pretty straightforward.
Given that, I officially object to all exchanges of “keeper slots” on the grounds that they are unbalanced.
Unoficially, it isn’t that big a deal to me and I will bow to the will of themajority (or the commissioner) and just have fun wit the game. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/99 "2013-08-26T20:04:19Z")
> [@Munch](#):
>
> Everyone check the draft page to make sure I have this right so far:
>
> [Yahoo](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/8635/draftresults)
Thanks for taking care of that.
One question though. I vaguely remember a limit on the number of years you can keep the same player, but I’m positive. Looking at RNATB’s list, this will be the third time I’ll be keeping McFadden. Am I misremembering the rule or confusing this with another league?
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [August 26, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712/100 "2013-08-26T20:09:36Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
>
> Thanks for taking care of that.
>
> One question though. I vaguely remember a limit on the number of years you can keep the same player, but I’m positive. Looking at RNATB’s list, this will be the third time I’ll be keeping McFadden. Am I misremembering the rule or confusing this with another league?
You remember correctly. I thought I double checked the “kept last year” players, but that one seems to have slipped through. Sorry - you don’t get to keep him. Did that screw up any of your draft slot changes? We have the keeper rules on post #1 in this thread. Damn - I’m sorry I missed that.
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