# He Hate Me FF Keeper League - Year 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435 "2016-08-11T12:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/1 "2016-08-11T12:35:32Z")
[League page](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/412315) Yahoo changed the way registration worked this year. Instead of inviting people and having them accept the invite, it simply re-registered every team from last year. Which means, unless they post about their participation, we don’t know who actually intended to sign up again this year. To re-instate the old process, I’m going to boot everyone from the league and send out another invite, so that you can confirm you’re participating that way. It’ll go through the normal channels to your yahoo registereed FF e-mail. Please accept the invite. If you don’t intend to play this year, please post to the thread or otherwise contact me so we can work on a replacement. This league traditionally drafts on Labor day, so I’m setting the draft to Mon Sep 5 at 8:30 eastern. Speak up early if you can’t make that and we can change it if everyone can make it. **Schedule** NFL Season Starts September 8 (Thursday) Offseason Trade Deadline: 9/2/16 Keeper Declaration: 9/3/16 (at midnight) Live Draft: 9/5/16 @ 8:30pm EDT (Tuesday) **Keeper Rules** 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the second round (third rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incurs a two round penalty (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) **Hall of Fame** Year 1 winner: **mouthbreather** Year 2 winner: **Spiritus Mundi** Year 3 winner: **Spiritus Mundi** Year 4 winner: **The Mad Hermit** Year 5 winner: **Nurse Carmen** Year 6 winner: **Weirddave** Year 7 winner: **VarlosZ** Year 8 winner: **Weirddave** Year 9 winner: **Really Not All That Bright** Year 10 winner: **Really Not All That Bright** Year 11 winner: **VarlosZ** Year 12 winner: **Ottoerotic** Year 13 Winner: **Weirddave** **League History** **2003 Season 1** [The SDMB “He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not” Football League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=199147) **2004 Season 2** [Upcoming SDMB fantasy football league…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=251453) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Review](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286234) [SDMB H.H.M. Keeper League Rules Ballot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290993) **2005 Season 3** [Yahoo fantasy football signup now open…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324132) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Draft Review 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342937) Season wrap-up [post=7136352]here[/post] **2006 Season 4** [He Hate Me FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374061) Season wrap-up [post=8131857]here[/post] **2007 Season 5** [He Hate Me So Bad FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=423632) Season wrap-up [post=9386723]here[/post] **2008 Season 6** [He Hate Me Some Me FF Keeper League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465946) **2009 Season 7** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - yr 7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525636) **2010 Season 8** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=572812) **2011 Season 9** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=618920) **2012 Season 10** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655233) **2013 Season 11** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=692419) **2014 Season 12** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 12](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/hehatemesdmb/2014) 2015 Season 13 [He Hate Me FF keeper league - Year 13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=765240) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/2 "2016-08-11T12:46:42Z")
I’m going to propose three rule changes this year. I will post them to the league page as polls. Majority of those who voted will win. If you abstain you’re counted as neutral. 1. Move to a 6 man playoffs format. Yahoo has a three week, 6 man playoff option. The first and second seeds have a bye in the first week of the playoffs. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. Then the remaining teams play the semi-final. In a league with 14 players, only having four make the playoffs is too few. We had an especially unusual year last year where 3 of the top 4 scorers didn’t even make the playoffs. I feel like 4/12 works, but 4/14 is too few. 6/14 feels right. It also gives another reward tier for being at the top - you earn a bye, just like real NFL teams, which gives more meaning to the race at the top up until the end. 2. Currently, our league gives the #1-#4 draft slots to the consolation bracket. The original idea here was to make the consolation bracket meaningful to give people something fun to play for after they missed the playoffs. But here’s what I don’t think makes sense: I’m okay with giving the winner of the consolation bowl the #1 pick, to provide that reward factor, but why should the losers of the consolation bowl get picks #2-4? The reverse order of finishing to start the draft is a parity mechanism - the teams that finished at the bottom are unlikely to have good keepers - and we throw a wrench into it for no reason by giving the consolation bowl losers the top pick. So my proposal is that the consolation bowl winner still gets the #1 pick, but everyone else is seeded in reverse order of standings. If anyone else has proposals I can include those as polls also. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/3 "2016-08-11T13:00:42Z")
I tried to send everyone PMs about the new league thread and signing back up, but I realize that I’m not sure who a couple of people are here. Correct this list: Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave) Fightin Quakers (furt) Ottoman Empire (Ottoerotic) Carcosa Yellow Kings (Munch) Exploding Pancakes (SenorBeef) Nine Inch Neils (Really Not All That Bright) VarlosZ HungryHungryHaruspex (Jules Andre) Moridwon (Hamlet) Omnipotents (Omniscient) Spiritus Mundane (Spiritus Mundi) No Use For A Name (Retrovertigo) and two I don’t know Fourth & Nineteen Crabby Hermits ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/4 "2016-08-11T13:12:35Z")
Ha, two posts ago I said that I was going to propose 3 rule changes, and then I only proposed two. I don’t remember what the third one is. If I do, I’ll post about it. I created the other two as polls in the league thread, so please vote on them. If you have your own proposals feel free to go ahead with them. Draft order: 1. Exploding Pancakes 2. Nine Inch Neils 3. VarlosZ 4. Fourth & Nineteen 5. No Use For A Name 6. Spiritus Mundane 7. Omnipotents 8. MOridwon (Hamlet) 9. Crabby Hermits 10. HungryHungryHaruspex 11. Carcosa Yellow Kings 12. Ottoman Empire 13. Fightin’ Quakers 14. Baltimore Weirdos That stems from the draft order of ```auto Draft Pick Last Year's Finish 1 14 2 13 3 12 4 11 5 1 6 2 7 3 8 4 9 10 10 9 11 8 12 7 13 6 14 5 ``` Having the top 4 go to the 5th-8th finishers is always weird to me, hence my 2nd proposal. Of course the order for this year is set - any rule changes would affect next year’s draft. ---
**Author:** ![Ottoerotic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/6de8d8/32.png) [@Ottoerotic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ottoerotic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/5 "2016-08-11T13:34:13Z")
I agree with both rule changes, they sound like great improvements. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/6 "2016-08-11T13:44:44Z")
Don’t forget to vote in the league page itself. The polls are in the same area as the league messaging system. I’m going to use those as the official tally. Announcing your vote/feelings here is good, but make sure you vote in the actual poll for them to count. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/7 "2016-08-11T16:59:51Z")
Made a mistake earlier - I identified HungryHungryHaruspex as JulesAndre, because that’s his traditional team name. But he dropped out last year and JSexton replaced him, but kept the name. In any case, JSexton said in the thread last year that he wouldn’t be returning this year, and Retrovertigo is also out, so we need to draft at least two replacements. In the event that we have two players leaving and two replacements, how do we decide who gets what roster? My instinct is to say the first person to accept their invite gets their pick of which roster they want. We had interest in replacing someone if we had absenses from user **motu**. He’s been around for 2 years and has a handful of posts - I usually like to give slots to more established users - but it’s harder to recruit fantasy players than it used to be so I’m inclined to let him have the slot since he took the initiative to seek this out and then work on recruiting the other slot. Opinions? If you’re interested in joining this league, speak up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/8 "2016-08-11T17:01:28Z")
Oh, I remembered the third rule I meant to propose: Yahoo has IR slots which you can store a player who has been officially put on IR. We use them in the dynasty league. It sucks enough having one of your star players go down - but then having to carry them for the rest of the year, missing out on a needed bench slot, in order to keep them next year is another punishment. I suggest that we add an IR slot to give the player some relief in the event that this happens. I’ll post a poll in the league thread. Consider this issue 3. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/9 "2016-08-11T17:28:52Z")
So I was looking back on previous threads, and I forgot that we’re apparently allowed to trade keeper rights to players we’re eligible to keep, as long as we all enter the draft with 16 picks. I feel kinda weird about it, but it seems to be the normal thing to do. I’m probably not going to keep one of Latavius Murray (12th round keeper) or Dion Lewis (14th round keeper), so I’m willing to swap them for a mid-round pick. You’d get one of my late picks in return, since we both need to go into the draft with 16 players/draft picks. I’m also open to trading DeAndre Hopkins (would be kept in the first) or David Johnson (would be kept in the 7th) but it’d have to be a big offer or package. ---
**Author:** ![motu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/motu/32/259_2.png) [@motu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/motu)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/10 "2016-08-11T18:02:01Z")
Still interested, but totally understand if you get others with more “Dope Cred” than me ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/11 "2016-08-13T18:20:05Z")
I’m Fourth & Nineteen, and I’m back in. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/12 "2016-08-14T19:49:08Z")
Sorry, I forgot to do the keeper lists like I intended, but I’m heading out the door and won’t be on my PC for a while. I’ll get that done when I can. Don’t forget to vote on the league issues - it’s in the league message section, you may have to expand it to see all of them. So far only 3 people have voted. We have 4 people absent, and two slots that need replacing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/13 "2016-08-14T23:46:07Z")
Doh! It appears I posted in the wrong thread…sign me up for HungryHungryHaruspex. (Btw, please tell me I can change the team name…) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/14 "2016-08-15T02:40:36Z")
I just need the reinvite. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/15 "2016-08-15T04:46:08Z")
Further research reveals that my team has been deleted. Is there any way to remedy this? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/16 "2016-08-15T12:03:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Doh! It appears I posted in the wrong thread…sign me up for HungryHungryHaruspex. (Btw, please tell me I can change the team name…) 😃 Let me get back to you in a couple of days on this. I’m not sure how many people we will ultimately need to replace - the current count is 2 but we have a couple more teams unaccounted for currently. If we end up having multiple people wanting to replace the same teams, we will need some sort of system for resolving that. First come, first serve, or a lottery, or whatever. I’ll try to get you the team you want if there’s no strong interest in it from the other replacement players, but if there is we will have to resolve that. Does anyone have opinions on method? And would you be willing to play still if you ended up having to pick up another team? > [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](#): > > Further research reveals that my team has been deleted. Is there any way to remedy this? It wasn’t deleted, just forced to rejoin as I mentioned in the op. I send an invite to your new address. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/17 "2016-08-15T13:51:49Z")
Thank you. The email from Yahoo was a bit harsh; thanks for reinstating me. I shortened my team name to Hermits. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/18 "2016-08-15T14:11:21Z")
Harsh how? I just indicated that yahoo automatically signed everyone back up, which meant I basically manually had to take attendance. The easiest/most compelling way would be to boot everyone from the league, nullifying that automatic sign up, and then make them manually take the invite to join the league, just as it was done in the past. There was nothing personal or punitive about it, and it’s explained in the op of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/19 "2016-08-15T14:56:50Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Let me get back to you in a couple of days on this. I’m not sure how many people we will ultimately need to replace - the current count is 2 but we have a couple more teams unaccounted for currently. If we end up having multiple people wanting to replace the same teams, we will need some sort of system for resolving that. First come, first serve, or a lottery, or whatever. I’ll try to get you the team you want if there’s no strong interest in it from the other replacement players, but if there is we will have to resolve that. Does anyone have opinions on method? And would you be willing to play still if you ended up having to pick up another team? Okie dokie…btw, the rules changes sound good to me. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/20 "2016-08-15T15:20:28Z")
Okay, good, you’re in. I’m not home right now but I’ll post the official keeper lists in a day or two and we will figure out how to assign teams to new players then. I also sent a pm to motu that he or she is also in. Those will replace our two confirmed reigning players this year, and we will have to see if anyone else will be absent after that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435.md?page=2)