# He Hate Me FF Keeper League - Year 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435 "2016-08-11T12:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/41 "2016-08-21T22:49:03Z")
Yeah, that works for me…ready to rumble! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/42 "2016-08-22T18:42:46Z")
So PM me, already…I have research to do… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/43 "2016-08-22T18:55:38Z")
I’ll need you to pm me the email address you want to use. ---
**Author:** ![motu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/motu/32/259_2.png) [@motu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/motu)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/44 "2016-08-22T21:13:11Z")
Disgruntled Goats = motu Question: A player must have been drafted to be kept? If no, how are waiver wire pick-ups handled in regards to Keeping? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/45 "2016-08-22T21:38:44Z")
To follow suit, Safety Blitz = old HungryHungryHaruspex = me. 🙂 And, assuming the new rule is approved, based on last year’s rank of 11th, it looks like I’ll have the 5th pick (otherwise the 8th). Correct? ---
**Author:** ![motu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/motu/32/259_2.png) [@motu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/motu)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/46 "2016-08-22T21:42:43Z")
Question #2: Consolation round, top 4 teams out of the play-offs or the bottom four teams? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/47 "2016-08-22T22:09:57Z")
Players have to be drafted or traded for to be kept. You can’t keep waiver wire pickups. The consolation bowl is for teams 4-8, although if we change to a 6 man playoffs I suppose they’d be for 7-12. It’s draft orde thing I was hoping to get clarified by anyone that remembers why munch listed it the way he did. I think you’re going to be drafting 10th if I understand how it should be. Any change in rule would go into effect next year. I’ll dig through some old threads sometime and figure out if I can find a definitive basis for the draft order. ---
**Author:** ![motu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/motu/32/259_2.png) [@motu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/motu)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/48 "2016-08-22T23:32:30Z")
Ok, a 6 team consolation bowl for the #1 pick sounds great, makes the playoffs worth something for the non-playoff teams and a reason to fight out of the bottom of the league. Got my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/49 "2016-08-23T19:21:51Z")
Going over the team lists, a question occurred to me. I notice that there are a couple of teams with possible keepers rated at the same round due to a trade. Supposing that those teams keep both players from the same round, how does that work out? Do they then lose the next higher or next lower pick? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/50 "2016-08-23T20:28:44Z")
I’d have to dig through old threads to see if that’s been covered (or if anyone remembers), but my gut feeling is that it should be a higher pick, to prevent people from gaming the system by for the advantage of keeping a guy for a lower pick. It may be something that has never come up before. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/51 "2016-08-24T03:01:59Z")
I’m in. Been swamped by RL issues lately, so a nice fantasy football beating is exactly the respite I deserve . . . or something. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/52 "2016-08-24T14:54:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’d have to dig through old threads to see if that’s been covered (or if anyone remembers), but my gut feeling is that it should be a higher pick, to prevent people from gaming the system by for the advantage of keeping a guy for a lower pick. It may be something that has never come up before. It never actually happened, but when it was possible the consensus was that you’d have to use the next better pick to keep the second guy. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/53 "2016-08-24T18:41:59Z")
Makes sense, not that I expect it to happen. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/54 "2016-08-26T20:15:03Z")
Is there a deadline set yet for declaring keepers? I didn’t see one with a quick skim of the thread… In case it’s close and I forget, I’m keeping Ingram and Winston. Debating about a third but leaning against. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/55 "2016-08-26T20:49:17Z")
Alright, so I talked to Munch and he’s not sure how he arrived at the draft order that I copied into post #4 and thinks it may have been a mistake. Since the only data I’ve found supports what I thought the order would be, we’re going with that. ```auto Draft Pick Last year's finish 1 5 2 6 3 7 4 8 5 14 6 13 7 12 8 11 9 10 10 9 11 4 12 3 13 2 14 1 ``` So the consolation bowl gets the top 4 picks, and then we do reverse order of standings. It looks like the rule change is going to pass that makes it so that next year the consolation bowl winner will get the first in the draft order and everyone else will be in reverse order of standings. Which means this year’s draft order is: 1. Exploding Pancakes 2. Nine Inch Neils 3. VarlosZ 4. Fourth & Nineteen 5. No Use For A Name 6. Spiritus Mundane 7. Omnipotents 8. MOridwon (Hamlet) 9. Crabby Hermits 10. HungryHungryHaruspex 11. Carcosa Yellow Kings 12. Ottoman Empire 13. Fightin’ Quakers 14. Baltimore Weirdos Speaking of which, if you haven’t voted on the three proposed rule changes in the league page (they’re polls in the message section), vote on them now. I’m going to close the poll on Monday, which is a week before the draft. So far all three proposals are winning - 6 man playoffs, draft order changed so that only the winner of the consolation bowl is rewarded, and add an IR slot to provide relief for people who have injured players worth keeping. We do have one more slot to fill in this league still. I’ve been working on it by creating a recruitment thread and also posting about the vacancies in my other league, but I may have to dig deeper. I’m going to send out a PM to people who’ve played in this league in the past but are no longer around to see if they want to get into it. If you have some sort of off-board friend or family that you think might be a good fit for this league, put out some feelers - if we can’t replace the last slot internally in the next few days I’ll be open to outside recruits if necesary. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/56 "2016-08-26T20:58:27Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > Is there a deadline set yet for declaring keepers? I didn’t see one with a quick skim of the thread… Keeper deadline is the end of Friday the 2nd. Technically yahoo lists it as 9/3, but I think it happens the minute it turns 9/3 at midnight. If you’re pretty sure what you’re doing, you can post the keeper list now and then just make a second post with adjustments before the deadline if you need to make them, like if someone got injured. And mark the players as keepers in yahoo with their keeper interface. Keep in mind that yahoo doesn’t know our keeper rules, so it will list players you picked up off waivers last year who aren’t actually eligible to be kept. The only eligible keepers are the ones listed in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/57 "2016-08-26T21:17:04Z")
I have a question about keepers; there appears to be a contradiction between the rules in the OP and in the one listing the possible keepers. I have Alshon Jeffery with two asterisks, meaning he’s been kept twice, and the OP says that’s the limit. But the other post states that the players with two asterisks can be kept. Which is correct? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/58 "2016-08-26T21:43:46Z")
Okay, so I’ve made a significant mistake that affects 4 players in the league. You can keep players twice. Which means you can have them for a total of three years: The year they were drafted, the first year they were kept, and the second year they were kept. When I made the eligible keeper list, I listed 4 players who had already been kept twice, and therefore are uneligible to be kept. Those players are Alson Jeffrey, Julius Thomas, Julian Edelman, and Jeremy Maclin. Those players were listed incorrectly and should not have appeared on the keeper list. Now veterans probably noticed my mistake, so not such a big deal there. But we did recruit two new people this year who may have chosen their teams based on assuming that was a valid keeper list, in which case I may have screwed them a bit. Now… Alshon Jeffrey would’ve been a pretty value-neutral keeper this year. Johnny Ace would’ve had to keep him in the 2nd round, with the 2.05 pick (19th pick) where his actual average draft position is around the 22nd pick. So it’s not a steal and probably wouldn’t have actually been worth keeping. But he may have disagreed with that assessment and planned to keep him anyway. I think Johnny Ace may have incorrectly thought that he would be able to keep Alshon Jeffrey in the 4th when he signed him, because in post #34 he says he didn’t notice the 2 round keeper rule. So hopefully this isn’t a big deal. Motu gets hurt worse by this because Maclin would be worth keeping in the 9th, since he’s got an ADP in the 40s. At least he has other good keeper options so it’s not like his team would depend on this. Gurley is a great keeper at the end of the first round, and Matt Jones/Mariota/Kelvin Benjamin are all worthy keepers. This team shouldn’t have any trouble finding worthwhile keepers. I apologize for my mistake, it was my first year running this league and there was no easy list that had eligible years tracked I could work from, so I had to go back and recreate one from the draft results in previous years. In my mind I made the mistake of thinking “you can have them for three years” meant “you can keep them three times” and listed players who had been kept twice. So I guess here’s the question: Are Johnny Ace and motu okay with having those players removed from the eligible keeper list? Can you move forward wtih your teams if we simply chalk this up to a listing error? Or did you join the league/choose your teams on the basis of that incorrect information? If you can live with things as-is, I will simply make those players disappear from the eligible keepers list. If not, I guess we’d have to work something out to make everyone happy, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/59 "2016-08-26T21:53:59Z")
No, I didn’t plan on keeping him; matter of fact, I was going to try to trade him away, though I might not have been able to get a lot of value for him given that he’d be on his last year of eligibility even with the best interpretation. I probably would’ve chosen to go for Gurley’s team in that case, but I can live with what I’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/60 "2016-08-26T22:49:46Z")
And that pretty much cements my keepers, barring last-minute trade offers…Eric Decker, Doug Baldwin, and the CAR D/ST. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435.md?page=4)