# He Hate Me FF Keeper League - Year 14 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 11, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435 "2016-08-11T12:35:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/81 "2016-08-31T15:10:45Z")
… I am confused. Who got what in the trade? You can’t be trading seven guys because that means someone is getting four, and you can only keep three. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/82 "2016-08-31T15:24:34Z")
No trade - he’s just changing the name of the team. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/83 "2016-08-31T15:41:16Z")
Oh, duh. Since I’m keeping Dalton in the 11th, I have no need for a high pick in that round. If anyone drafting at the tail end of the odd rounds wants to swap my 11th rounder (#2 in the round) and 12th rounder for theirs, I’m game. ---
**Author:** ![Overly\_Sentimental](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/overly_sentimental/32/4454_2.png) [@Overly\_Sentimental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Overly_Sentimental)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/84 "2016-08-31T22:52:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Your idea about the 6th place wildcard slot is interesting. In your example you noted the top scorer could miss the playoffs anyway due to flukes, but what you’re proposing is to give it to the highest scorer of non-playoff teams, even if he’s, say, the 5th highest scorer overall because the top 4 scorers are already in the playoffs, right? Yeah, that’s the idea, I should have clarified. The first 5 would qualify on record (as normal), and then the sixth team would be the highest scoring team of the remaining 9. ---
**Author:** ![Overly\_Sentimental](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/overly_sentimental/32/4454_2.png) [@Overly\_Sentimental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Overly_Sentimental)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/85 "2016-09-03T03:52:09Z")
I’m keeping: \*8. (107) Jordan Matthews  (Phi - WR) **sixth round** 9. (118) Philip Rivers (SD - QB) **seventh round** 12. (163) Zach Ertz (Phi - TE) **tenth round** ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/86 "2016-09-03T03:56:46Z")
I forgot today was final keeper day, I forgot to announce it earlier, so I’ll give you guys 24 hours to submit any late keeper changes if necesary. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/87 "2016-09-03T14:39:54Z")
1. (66) Allen Robinson (Jax - WR) =\> keep in Rd 3 2. (159) Derek Carr (Oak - QB) =\> keep in Rd 10 3. (206) Kevin White (Chi - WR) =\> keep in Rd 13 ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/88 "2016-09-03T16:00:36Z")
I’m keeping: WR Sammy Watkins in the 3rd RB Devonta Freeman in the 5th QB Blake Bortles in the 10th **THE FOLLOWING KEEPERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR TRADE:** WR Sammy Watkins (ADP 29.2) in the 3rd (picks 29-42) RB Doug Martin (ADP 24.2) in the 2nd (picks 15-28) WR Tyler Lockett (ADP 86.5) in the 9th (picks 113-126) QB Blake Bortles (ADP 77.4) in the 10th (127-140). Yes, that means I’m willing to consider trading the players I’m currently keeping, since I have backups; they’ll just cost a bit more. I’m even willing to listen if you want to keep Freeman in the 5th, but it won’t be cheap. All of these players are being kept for the first time this year. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/89 "2016-09-03T17:07:41Z")
I plugged my keeper into Yahoo, but it’s Michael Floyd. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/90 "2016-09-04T15:10:35Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > **THE FOLLOWING KEEPERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR TRADE:** > > WR Sammy Watkins (ADP 29.2) in the 3rd (picks 29-42) > RB Doug Martin (ADP 24.2) in the 2nd (picks 15-28) > WR Tyler Lockett (ADP 86.5) in the 9th (picks 113-126) > QB Blake Bortles (ADP 77.4) in the 10th (127-140). > > Yes, that means I’m willing to consider trading the players I’m currently keeping, since I have backups; they’ll just cost a bit more. I’m even willing to listen if you want to keep Freeman in the 5th, but it won’t be cheap. All of these players are being kept for the first time this year. I will swap picks with you in the 9th and 11th rounds for Doug Martin’s keeper rights. You only move up one spot per round, but Martin’s worth nothing to you anyway. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/91 "2016-09-04T20:47:43Z")
List of this year’s keepers. A double asterisk indicates the player is being kept for the second time and will not be an eligible keeper next year. Please correct any mistakes. Check the actual [yahoo draft](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/412315/draftresults?drafttab=team) too. Exploding Pancakes 3. DeAndre Hopkins \*\* 7. David Johnson 12. Latavius Murray \*\* Nine Inch Neils 11. Andy Dalton Varlos’ Zzzzzzz 3. Sammy Watkins 5. Devonta Freeman 10. Blake Bortles Fourth & Nineteen 3. Mark Ingram \*\* 9. Jameis Winston Overly Senitmental (formerly No Use For A Name) 6. Jordan Matthews \*\* 7. Philip Rivers 10. Zach Ertz Spiritus Mundane 3. Allen Robinson 10. Derek Carr 13. Kevin White Omnipotents 11. Jeremy Langford Moridwon (Hamlet) 6. Jordy Nelson 13. Arizona Hermits 7. Cam Newton 8. Delanie Walker \*\* Safety Blitz (formerly HungryHungryHaruspex) 4. Eric Decker 10. Doug Baldwin 13. Carolina Carcosa Yellow Kings 8. Michael Floyd Ottoman Empire 9. Palmer 14. Moncrief Disgruntled Goats (formerly Fightin’ Quakers) 1. Todd Gurley 2. Marcus Mariota 3. Kelvin Benjamin Baltimore Weirdos 3.Jeremy Hill \*\* 4. Mike Evans \*\* 12. Jordan Reed ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/92 "2016-09-04T23:53:47Z")
Noticed an error in the OP. Draft is Monday, tomorrow, not Tuesday. Date is correct. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/93 "2016-09-05T12:03:34Z")
Could someone send out a mass PM to everyone to remind them that the draft is tonight at 8:30 eastern? I won’t be on my pc until near draft time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/94 "2016-09-05T15:06:40Z")
Done, except for Weirddave…he’s not receiving PM’s. I’ll email him through the league site. ETA: Eh, I’ll email everyone for the sake of redundancy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/95 "2016-09-05T17:19:04Z")
Is it too late for varlos to accept my offer for Doug Martin’s rights? Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/96 "2016-09-05T17:25:18Z")
Ah, sorry, I accepted a better trade offer for him via PM; I’d swap picks with Omni in the 2nd and 8th Rounds, moving up 4 spots in each. ETA: Hopefully that’s not too late… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/97 "2016-09-05T18:40:06Z")
I assume we’re going to hear about trades before the fact during the regular season? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/98 "2016-09-05T18:58:50Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Ah, sorry, I accepted a better trade offer for him via PM; I’d swap picks with Omni in the 2nd and 8th Rounds, moving up 4 spots in each. > > ETA: Hopefully that’s not too late… On one hand its pointless to have deadlines if they are never enforced, but on th other hand I always try to accommodate people if it doesn’t hurt anyone. But this isn’t a valid trade. Last year we ruled out trading picks players are kept with, and so you swapping the 2nd round pick after that Omni will keep him with goes against that. If you can revise the pick, like say swap in the fourth and 6th or 8th and I can enter it from my phone I guess we will allow it. I’m going to be out and busy and the list has to be finalized an hour before the draft. This is the sort of last minute complication you make deadlines to avoid I suppose. I think we may want to revisit the idea of trading these keeper rights before the draft too next year as it runs into some incentive problems, mostly that if someone isn’t going to keep someone it costs them nothing to trade it away, so that value necessarily must come at a cost to the rest of the league. If you guys tell me soon a revised trade that works and I can actually executive it I’ll allow it. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/99 "2016-09-05T19:02:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > On one hand its pointless to have deadlines if they are never enforced, but on th other hand I always try to accommodate people if it doesn’t hurt anyone. > > But this isn’t a valid trade. Last year we ruled out trading picks players are kept with, and so you swapping the 2nd round pick after that Omni will keep him with goes against that. If you can revise the pick, like say swap in the fourth and 6th or 8th and I can enter it from my phone I guess we will allow it. I’m going to be out and busy and the list has to be finalized an hour before the draft. This is the sort of last minute complication you make deadlines to avoid I suppose. > > I think we may want to revisit the idea of trading these keeper rights before the draft too next year as it runs into some incentive problems, mostly that if someone isn’t going to keep someone it costs them nothing to trade it away, so that value necessarily must come at a cost to the rest of the league. > > If you guys tell me soon a revised trade that works and I can actually executive it I’ll allow it. We planned for that event. Since this is the rights to a player changing hands, not just a simple position swap with the rights being retained, we thought it may be allowed under the rule. However, if not, we’ve agreed to simply swap 4th round spots as a alternative. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435/100 "2016-09-05T19:04:23Z")
I’m more comfortable doing the alternative right now because swapping 2nd needs some discussion I don’t have time for. I assume you mean 4th and 8th? Since the original proposal also included an 8 and the move to the 4th already subtracts value relative to that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435.md?page=6)