# He Hate Me FF Keeper League - Year 15 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 1, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572 "2017-08-01T12:47:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/61 "2017-09-03T20:09:29Z")
Everyone please check that [this is correct](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/customdraftorder) and report any problems. ---
**Author:** ![Overly\_Sentimental](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/overly_sentimental/32/4454_2.png) [@Overly\_Sentimental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Overly_Sentimental)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/62 "2017-09-03T20:22:04Z")
I think I like the trade rules the way it is. Having the ability to trade rights is the reward for being ahead of the curve (getting a David Johnson in the 5th, or a Jordan Howard in the 11th). We’re all starting with the same set of information initially. In any case, its a quirk that distinguishes this league from all the others in a time where we all (probably) play multiple leagues that are (probably) all very similar. I have no opinion about the PPR issue, on the one hand it gives more value to RB vs. WR (when RB is already being considerably diminished), on the other hand it induces even more scarcity for the best RBs. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/63 "2017-09-03T20:31:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Everyone please check that [this is correct](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/customdraftorder) and report any problems. One problem: It won’t let me view it because I’m not a commissioner. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/64 "2017-09-03T20:33:00Z")
Woops, wrong link. Please check [this one](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/draftresults) is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/65 "2017-09-03T23:41:52Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Woops, wrong link. Please check [this one](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/draftresults) is correct. Looks good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/66 "2017-09-03T23:52:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You can’t keep Cutler. He was cut by weirddave and you picked him up as a free agent. Only via trading can a player change teams and still have keeper rights. Where are you getting that from? I drafted him and ended the year with him on the roster. I don’t recall cutting him, but then again he was on the IR at one point. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/67 "2017-09-04T00:02:20Z")
[2016 draft results](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2016/412315/draftresults), round 15, pick 14 from Baltimore weirdos. On [Nov 10](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2016/412315/transactions?filter=&mid=&count=50) you picked him up as a free agent. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/68 "2017-09-04T00:04:13Z")
> [@Spiritus\_Mundi](#): > > I know I am swimming against the tide on this, but this is a perfect example of why I wish we would not allow trades of keeper rights. Regardless of people’s individual evaluations of Bell v Johnson, you gain clear value by adding the first pick in the draft, allowing you to essentially keep 4 players for the cost of a 9th round pick and whatever diminishment you see from Johnson to Bell. Varlos gets the benefit of Johnson over Bell and a windfall 9th rounder while giving up precisely zero. > > The rest of us pay for the value of the trade by a reduction in the talent pool. It isn’t a massive loss (only 1 player distributed among 12 teams) but I still wish we would not do such things. With that in mind, I would like to propose 2 unrelated rule changes for next year: > [ol] > [li]Kept players may not be traded[/li][li]Half point PPR[/li][/ol] I’m emphatically in favor of stopping the trading of in-round keepers. IOW, gaming the system by moving back in the round where you have a keeper. Gives people at the front or back of the round a huge advantage. People in the middle get fucked. I have less of a problem with trading legit keepers, though it does really make the balance of power way out of whack when someone has 4 or 5 excellent keepers. You can argue they earned it, but it does tend to create a nigh insurmountable advantage. I’m also in favor of .5 PPR. The RB value table is getting pretty whack with there only being 4-5 legit bell cows in the entire league. In auction formats it’s less problematic than snake drafts. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/69 "2017-09-04T00:06:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > [2016 draft results](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2016/412315/draftresults), round 15, pick 14 from Baltimore weirdos. > > On [Nov 10](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nfl/2016/412315/transactions?filter=&mid=&count=50) you picked him up as a free agent. Got it. This page is misleading with draft results. [https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/lastseason](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/lastseason) Where’s the link to the archive on the league page? I couldn’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/70 "2017-09-04T00:11:20Z")
Ah yeah, definitely look at the draft results page (or the eligible keeper list I post) rather than that page - that page doesn’t keep track of who drafted who. By archive, do you just mean drafts and rosters and results from previous years? On the main league page there’s a drop down box under the league name that says 2017 - you can change it to another year. ---
**Author:** ![Overly\_Sentimental](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/overly_sentimental/32/4454_2.png) [@Overly\_Sentimental](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Overly_Sentimental)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/71 "2017-09-04T00:14:01Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Just to be clear, in case you didn’t read the thread, the keeper lists I posted last year were just a copy and paste of the draft picks used to take them last year. Which means that you keep them 2 rounds higher than they’re listed there. > > So Hyde becomes a first rounder, Parker a 6th, and Howard a 9th. Is that what you want? > > (Double checking since I think you may not have read that part and think Hyde would be kept as a third rounder) Thanks for clarifying, I did read that wrong. That being the case, I’ll throw Hyde back, and keep Parker in the sixth, Eifert in the seventh, and Howard in the ninth. Sorry for the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/72 "2017-09-04T00:18:12Z")
Alright, I figured that’s what happened so I wanted to make sure. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/73 "2017-09-04T04:01:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Alright, pre-draft trade to announce. > > I’m sending Varlos the keeper rights for David Johnson in the 5th, and my 9th round pick. > > In return, he’s sending me the 1.01 pick. > > I didn’t like the offers I was getting for Pryor/Bryant, so I decided to try the other way - trade my most valuable keeper and keep the other 3. Overall, I like Bell (1.01), Ajayi, Pryor and Bryant over Johnson, Ajayi, Pryor, and getting a meager haul for Bryant. > > Varlos gets the clear cut best player in the draft, who I think is a clear upgrade over the second best player (Bell) who just yesterday ended a holdout, had groin surgery in the offseason, and faces the 3rd hardest RB fantasy schedule this year. In comparison, David Johnson has basically no question marks. > > I get to feel like I’m not getting ripped off for trading a valuable keeper because I think you guys are way, way off on the valuations and I was being generous and giving it away cheaply by offering Bryant for 2 years for a 6th round pick. Edit: To be clear, I don’t think anyone was trying to rip me off, and I appreciate the offers I got. I just feel like people aren’t thinking it through and realizing the value of what I was offering. Someone did send me a tempting deal that involved 2 of my keepers, but I really want to keep 3 this year and make a run for it as stacked as I can. > Obviously he’ll be keeping David Johnson in the 5th in addition to Freeman. And 1.09. Must be nice… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/74 "2017-09-04T04:10:47Z")
5 1st- or 2nd-round RB’s gone and me at the 10th pick. I’m so boned it’s not even funny. Guess there’s always next year…maybe I can get a flier or two that’ll be worth keeping. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/75 "2017-09-04T07:33:55Z")
Point taken on Varlos giving up his 5th for your 7th. That actually is quite a bit to pay in order to choose Johnson over Bell. I’m out of step with the world on this one and would rather have Bell than Johnson even as a straight up choice. And I do want to be clear that I have no objections to this specific trade - it is within the rules and fair enough to both parties. It does certainly allow you to gain the benefit of 4 valuable keepers, so perhaps violates the spirit of the 3 keeper rule, and perhaps that is why this one made my spidey sense tingle. If you had instead chosen to keep Johnson and then trade him as a kept player I think it sidesteps most (all?) of my concerns. Anyway - I think we should vote on any rule changes this year for effect next year. And the keeper list is correct for me. ---
**Author:** ![motu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/motu/32/259_2.png) [@motu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/motu)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/76 "2017-09-04T15:40:42Z")
Beef, double check the rosters, Overly Sentimental and Court Jesters have the same team ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/77 "2017-09-04T15:42:35Z")
Yeah, that’s a glitch and I’m not sure how it came about. It won’t matter, it doesn’t affect the league going forward - what you see in the draft results page covers the keepers people will have and everyone will be drafting the rest of their team tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/78 "2017-09-05T13:20:42Z")
Draft is tonight in about 11 hours. Last chance to check your [keepers](https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/210712/draftresults). I managed to lose my notes for this league during a brief power issue. It’s not so bad in an auction league because once someone nominates a guy you forgot you wanted you can bid for him, but in a standard draft that can screw you over, forgetting some deep sleepers you really want. Now I’ve gotta try to remember who it is I wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/79 "2017-09-05T13:52:13Z")
I’m keeping players in rounds 4 and 9. I pick in the middle in every round. If anyone wants to trade up from the back of those rounds, I’ll swap in those rounds for a pick swap in the next. So - for example, if you pick last in the fourth and first in the fifth, you’d get to pick in the middle of the fourth and again in the middle of the fifth. I’d move to the back of the fourth and then pick first in the fifth. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572/80 "2017-09-05T14:05:45Z")
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