# He Hate Me FF keeper league
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [June 2, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113 "2006-06-02T05:51:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/1 "2006-06-02T05:51:09Z")
The [He Hate Me More](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/5764) league is now open.
Draft time is Monday, September 4th at 10:30pm EST. (Labor Day.)
A new feature to yahoo allows you to copy rules from a previous league, so I copied all the rules from last year’s league. Note that I changed turnover scoring to reflect the scoring from two years ago:
Interceptions: -3
Fumbles: -1
Fumbles lost: -2
No other rules changes were made. All rules are of course open to change if we want to, including the above noted change.
I can’t set the draft order until everyone joins the league. Also, if you’d like to change the draft time, mentioning it earlier rather than later would be good.
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So, who’s going to unseat **Mundi** as the reigning two-time champ?
Will the Fanboys make the playoffs instead of the consolation bowl? Will Tiki justify his #2 overall draft position, or is he about to hit the wall?
Do CFL yards count for Ricky Williams? (BWAHAHAHAHA!)
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/2 "2006-06-02T06:04:27Z")
**Keeper Rules**
1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players.
2. You can only keep players drafted after the third round. (Fourth rounders or later only.)
3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.)
4. A kept player incures a two round penalty. (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.)
5. The deadline for declaring keepers isn’t until at least next year’s thread is started.
**Hall of Fame**
Year 1 winner: **mouthbreather**
Year 2 winner: **Spiritus Mundi**
Year 3 winner: **Spiritus Mundi**
**Draft Order, Year 4**
1. BoomGoesTheDynamite
2. New York Fanboys
3. Rhinosaurs(neuroman)
4. Clusterfucks
5. Pentium None
6. Fightin’ Quakers
7. Baltimore Wierdos
8. Moridwon
9. Feed My Family
10. Crabby Hermits
11. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
12. Fourth and Nineteen
13. Cedric Benson Busts
14. Mundi Morning Blues
**League History**
**2003 Season 1**
[The SDMB “He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not” Football League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=199147)
**2004 Season 2**
[Upcoming SDMB fantasy football league…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=251453)
[He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Review](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286234)
[SDMB H.H.M. Keeper League Rules Ballot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290993)
**2005 Season 3**
[Yahoo fantasy football signup now open…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324132)
[He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Draft Review 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342937)
Season wrap-up [post=7136352]here[/post]
**Eligible Keepers**
1. BoomGoesTheDynamite (Munch)
QB **C. Palmer** _(10th round pick)_ - kept last year
WR Ji. Smith _(5th round pick)_
WR D. Bennett _(6th round pick)_ - kept last year
RB T. Duckett _(7th round pick)_
BN **L. Jordan** _(5th rounder, trade from Baltimore Weirdos)_ - kept last year
BN L. Smith _(8th round pick)_
BN M. Jenkins _(15th round pick)_
2. New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee)
QB **E. Manning** _(9th round pick)_
WR **P. Burress** _(6th rounder, trade from Baltimore Weirdos.)_
WR **A. Toomer** _(12th round pick)_
TE J. Shockey _(4th round pick)_
BN **J. McCareins** _(14th round pick)_
K J. Feely _(7th round pick)_
DEF New York Giants _(8th round pick)_
3. Rhinosaurs (neuroman)
QB **J. Plummer** _(7th round pick)_
by trade from Mundi. Not kept last year.)\*
WR Ro. Williams _(7th round pick)_ - kept last year
TE **T. Heap** _(6th round pick)_
W/R D. Driver _(4th round pick)_
BN D. Brees _(8th round pick)_
BN D. Stallworth _(10th round pick)_
BN K. McCardell _(11th round pick)_
K J. Reed _(12th round pick)_
DEF Philadelphia _(9th round pick)_
4. Clusterfucks (BabaBooey)
WR E. Kennison _(5th round pick)_
WR D. Branch _(6th round pick)_ - kept last year
TE **J. Wiggins** _(12th round pick)_)
W/R R. Williams _(13th round pick)_ - kept last year (BWAHAHAHAHA)
BN K. Warner _(7th round pick)_
BN M. Moore _(4th round pick)_
BN B. Edwards _(8th round pick)_
BN K. Orton _(16th round pick)_
BN M. Hicks _(14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Feed My Family)_
K L. Tynes _(15th round pick)_
DEF **Chicago** _(14th round pick)_
BN Dallas _(10th round pick)_
5. Pentium None (Nurse Carmen)
WR C. Chambers _(5th round pick)_
RB M. Faulk _(4th round pick)_
TE **C. Cooley** _(10th round pick)_
BN **N. Burleson** _(11th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN T. Taylor _(14th round pick)_
BN J. Bettis _(7th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN **B. Roethlisberger** _(12th round pick)_ - kept last year
6. Fightin’ Quakers (furt)
WR **M. Muhammad** _(8th round pick)_ - kept last year
WR L. Fitzgerald _(5th round pick)_
RB F. Gore _(10th round pick)_
TE **H. Miller** _(9th round pick)_
W/R S. Smith _(4th round pick)_
BN Ma. Jones _(11th round pick)_
BN R. Dayne _(13th round pick)_
DEF Arizona _(14th round pick)_
7. Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave)
WR J. Porter _(5th round pick)_
RB **R. Droughns** _(4th round pick)_
RB S. Davis _(9th round pick)_
TE **A. Gates** _(10th round pick)_ - kept last year
W/R **L. Johnson** _(9th rounder, trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite)_ - kept last year
BN K. Collins _(4th rounder, trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite)_
BN D. Givens _(8th round pick)_
K M. Stover _(11th round pick)_
DEF Baltimore _(7th round pick)_
8. Moridwon (Hamlet)
QB **M. Vick** _(6th round pick)_
RB S. Jackson _(4th round pick)_ - kept last year
TE **R. McMichael** _(8th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN B. Favre _(5th round pick)_
BN T. Williamson _(11th round pick)_
BN M. Pittman _(11th rounder - trade from Fourth and Nineteen)_
BN Buffalo _(10th round pick)_
9. Feed My Family (Jimmy Chitwood)
WR J. Galloway _(4th round pick)_
TE **A. Crumpler** _(5th round pick)_
W/R **A. Boldin** _(6th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN S. McNair _(10th round pick)_
BN **B. Lloyd** _(11th round pick)_
BN D. Staley _(7th round pick)_
BN A. Bryant _(12th round pick)_
BN D. Carr _(9th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN R. Moats _(14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Moridwon)_
K J. Wilkins _(14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite)_
DEF Denver _(16th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Moridwon)_
10. Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit)
QB D. Bledsoe _(9th round pick)_
WR I. Bruce _(5th round pick)_
TE **Da. Clark** _(7th round pick)_
W/R **W. Parker** _(11th round pick)_
BN **A. Randle El** _(10th round pick)_
BN A. Lelie _(6th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN A. Brooks _(9th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Cedric Benson Busts)_
K J. Elam _(8th round pick)_ - kept last year
DEF **Pittsburgh** _(12th round pick)_ - kept last year
11. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz (VarlosZ)
QB **M. Hasselbeck** _(4th round pick)_
WR Ke. Johnson _(8th round pick)_
RB **W. McGahee** _(5th round pick)_ - kept last year
TE **J. Witten** _(6th round pick)_
W/R B. Engram _(10th round pick)_
BN R. Ferguson _(12th round pick)_
BN **B. Jacobs** _(13th round pick)_ (fucker!)
BN D. Jackson _(4th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Crabby Hermits)_
K **S. Janikowski** _(14th round pick)_
12. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson)
QB **J. Delhomme** _(8th round pick)_
WR R. Wayne _(4th round pick)_ - kept last year
WR D. Mason _(5th round pick)_
BN E. Moulds _(7th round pick)_
BN B. Stokley _(12th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN M. Williams _(9th round pick)_
BN **P. Rivers** _(16th round pick)_
DEF Atlanta _(10th round pick)_
13. Cedric Benson Busts (Omniscient)
WR K. Curtis _(14th round pick)_
RB T. Jones _(4th round pick)_
TE B. Troupe _(15th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Fightin’ Quakers)_
W/R T. Houshmandzadeh _(5th round pick)_
BN D. Rhodes _(16th round pick)_
BN M. Robinson _(8th round pick)_
K **M. Vanderjagt** _(10th round pick)_
DEF Carolina _(6th round pick)_ - kept last year
14. Mundi Morning Blues (Spiritus Mundi)
QB **T. Brady** _(6th round pick)_
WR **S. Moss** _(8th round pick)_
WR Ro. Smith _(7th round pick)_
W/R **W. Dunn** _(5th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN T. Glenn _(16th round pick)_
BN C. Taylor _(9th round pick)_ - kept last year
BN R. Caldwell _(13th round pick)_
K **A. Vinatieri** _(11th round pick)_ - kept last year
DEF Cincinnati _(15th round pick)_
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### Author:  [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/3 "2006-06-02T06:08:20Z")
I just wanted to pop in and say He Hate Me is one of the best nicknames in the history of sports. Excellent choice for a league name.
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### Author:  [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/4 "2006-06-06T17:11:23Z")
Still haven’t gotten that email (did it have the league # and password?), could someone shoot it to me at [bababoooeyn@yahoo.com](mailto:bababoooeyn@yahoo.com) (note the three o’s).
> [@](#):
>
> Do CFL yards count for Ricky Williams? (BWAHAHAHAHA!)
☹
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2006, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/5 "2006-06-07T07:16:05Z")
> [@BabaBooey](#):
>
> Still haven’t gotten that email (did it have the league # and password?), could someone shoot it to me at [bababoooeyn@yahoo.com](mailto:bababoooeyn@yahoo.com) (note the three o’s).
Ah, that explains it. I was using the email listed in your SDMB account, which is [bababooeyx@home.com](mailto:bababooeyx@home.com). Note that both emails I sent to that address have bounced back after first “delaying.” Never having seen a “your email has been delayed” notification before, I was quite confused. Also, I never received the email you sent to me, and I checked my junkmail folder multiple times over the few days after you sent it to me. Just FYI.
Anyway, yes, I’ll send you an email to the yahoo address with the details right now.
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### Author:  [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/6 "2006-06-09T15:28:47Z")
The burning question this year:
Is it possible to suck even more?
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### Author:  [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/7 "2006-06-09T21:50:37Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#):
>
> Ah, that explains it. I was using the email listed in your SDMB account, which is [bababooeyx@home.com](mailto:bababooeyx@home.com). Note that both emails I sent to that address have bounced back after first “delaying.” Never having seen a “your email has been delayed” notification before, I was quite confused. Also, I never received the email you sent to me, and I checked my junkmail folder multiple times over the few days after you sent it to me. Just FYI.
>
> Anyway, yes, I’ll send you an email to the yahoo address with the details right now.
I haven’t received an email and I’m pretty sure my info is correct. Little help?
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2006, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/8 "2006-06-10T15:07:01Z")
> [@Omniscient](#):
>
> I haven’t received an email and I’m pretty sure my info is correct. Little help?
I was wondering why I hadn’t heard from you. I sent it to the hotmail address listed; perhaps it got sidetracked into your junkmail folder?
Sending another email now…
Note that I sent two emails to the entire group; the first was asking about good draft times, and the second was a link to the league and this thread. I’m reluctant to spam people, and have a general aversion to sending anything to 13 people at a time, as that really feels like spam to me, so I limited myself to those two emails.
Anyone else who needs the info, just check in here and I’ll send it to you.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/9 "2006-06-10T15:13:37Z")
Crap, I just noticed this:
> [@Ellis Dee](#):
>
> 1. The deadline for declaring keepers isn’t until at least next year’s thread is started.
Kinda stupid, as this _is_ “next year’s thread.” heh.
**The deadline for declaring keepers is Tuesday, August 29th.**
I’m not planning on being super-anal retentive or anything about this deadline. Basically, the idea is to declare keepers after the 3rd preseason game is over, when the injury risk has passed. But we do need a reasonable amount of time to fill our exclude lists in the draft pre-rankings, given the real possibility that someone would be going out of town labor day weekend.
So that Tuesday seems like a good fit.
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### Author:  [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2006, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/10 "2006-06-13T21:32:55Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#):
>
> The burning question this year:
>
> Is it possible to suck even more?
Considering Big Ben is one of my keepers, it would seem that this question is already answering itself.
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### Author:  [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/11 "2006-06-14T06:04:33Z")
As of now, I’m fine whenever, except Fridays from 10Am-2PM EDT.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/12 "2006-06-14T14:21:01Z")
> [@Weirddave](#):
>
> As of now, I’m fine whenever, except Fridays from 10Am-2PM EDT.
Cool, should be good then. Do you need the league info? I notice you aren’t in yet; did my emails get rerouted to your junk folder?
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### Author:  [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2006, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/13 "2006-06-14T14:31:39Z")
Is this league full, or are new entrants welcome?
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### Author:  [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/14 "2006-06-15T01:03:27Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#):
>
> Cool, should be good then. Do you need the league info? I notice you aren’t in yet; did my emails get rerouted to your junk folder?
Better?
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2006, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/15 "2006-06-15T20:06:20Z")
> [@Weirddave](#):
>
> Better?
Much. Now I feel all warm and squishy inside.
> [@D\_Odds](#):
>
> Is this league full, or are new entrants welcome?
Looks to be full, but I’m sure other SDMB leagues will spring up as the season approaches.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [July 6, 2006, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/16 "2006-07-06T10:07:12Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#):
>
> Looks to be full, but I’m sure other SDMB leagues will spring up as the season approaches.
So far we’re at 12 of 14 owners. Does anyone know who the missing two are?
And we have some rules issues to hammer out regarding trades:
- Should we allow trading future draft picks?
- When you trade a keeper, who’s keeper slot does it use up?
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [July 7, 2006, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/17 "2006-07-07T10:30:31Z")
New question added:
1. Should we allow trading future draft picks?
2. When you trade a keeper, who’s keeper slot does it use up, the giver or receiver?
3. Should we be allowed to trade away our unused keeper slots?
My votes:
1. Undecided. I await other opinions.
2. Giver.
3. No, because it would be contradictory to my vote on #2.
Munch’s votes:
1. Yes.
2. Giver.
3. Yes.
Note that more detailed discussion can be found in the yahoo league forum, linked in OP.
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### Author:  [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)
#### Post date: [July 7, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/18 "2006-07-07T22:53:42Z")
Yes.
Reciever.
Indifferent.
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### Author:  [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2006, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/19 "2006-07-08T14:05:35Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#):
>
> Munch’s votes:
>
> 1. Yes.
> 2. Giver.
> 3. Yes.
Correction:
1. Yes.
2. Up to owners involved in trade.
3. Yes.
Note that question #2 only applies to pre-draft trades, because the keeper limit only applies to declaring keepers for the draft. (After the draft, you can trade for as many keepers as you please.)
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### Author:  [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)
#### Post date: [July 19, 2006, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113/20 "2006-07-19T15:16:18Z")
Hey there, I think I missed whatever email was sent out – could someone post the League ID# and password so I can get in?
Also,
> [@](#):
>
> 1. When you trade a keeper, who’s keeper slot does it use up, the giver or receiver?
Just so I’m sure I understand this correctly, you’re asking whether, when a player who is elegible to be kept is traded and later _is_ in fact kept, which team’s 3-keeper limit is affected?
If that’s the question, then it’s the giver and don’t see how it could work any other way.
(1) He’s the one doing the keeping, so it counts against his limit.
(2) “You can only keep up to three players” seems like a perfectly simple and workable rule; why muck it up with needless exceptions?
(3) Isn’t this how we’ve been doing it so far? Or am I greatly mistaken and could have, last year, kept _four players_ since I traded for McGahee, while my trade partner was only allowed to keep two?
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