# He Hate Me Keeper League 2022 - Year 20 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [August 25, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337 "2022-08-25T16:16:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/1 "2022-08-25T16:16:05Z")
Here we go again! Later than usual, sorry about that. Year 20! Keeper Rules 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the second round (third rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incurs a two round penalty (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) **Hall of Fame** [2003 - Year 1](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-sdmb-he-hate-me-he-hate-me-not-football-league/189924) Winner: mouthbreather [2004 - Year 2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/upcoming-sdmb-fantasy-football-league/240522) Winner: Spiritus Mundi [2005 - Year 3](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yahoo-fantasy-football-signup-now-open/311152) Winner: Spiritus Mundi ([thread #2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-mid-season-draft-review-2006/329270)) [2006 - Year 4](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league/359113) Winner: The Mad Hermit [2007 - Year 5](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801) Winner: Nurse Carmen [2008 - Year 6](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-some-me-ff-keeper-league/447318) Winner: Weirddave [2009 - Year 7](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-yr-7/504074) Winner: VarlosZ [2010 - Year 8](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-8/548576) Winner: Weirddave [2011 - Year 9](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-9/591413) Winner: Really Not All That Bright [2012 - Year 10](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-10/625142) Winner: Really Not All That Bright [2013 - Year 11](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-11/659712) Winner: VarlosZ [2014 - Year 12](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-12/690989) Winner: Ottoerotic [2015 - Year 13](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-13/728013) Winner: Weirddave [2016 - Year 14](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-14/762435) Winner: motu [2017 - Year 15](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-15/792572) Winner: Johnny Ace [2018 - Year 16](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242) Winner: dalej42 [2019 - Year 17](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-leage-2019-year-17/838974) Winner: Weirddave [2020 - Year 18](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2020-year-18/917277) Winner: Weirddave [2021 - Year 19](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2021-year-19/948348) Winner: AlsoNamedBort I’ll try to put keeper lists together this weekend. We’ll need to find a draft time - I don’t know what slots are already taken for other SDMB leagues? We’re missing two; one is @Omniscient who I’m sure will join, the other is Hermits. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/2 "2022-08-25T18:54:09Z")
Tagging @The_Mad_Hermit … ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/3 "2022-08-25T21:53:10Z")
Present! Can we confirm draft order, too? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/4 "2022-08-25T22:44:41Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > We’ll need to find a draft time - I don’t know what slots are already taken for other SDMB leagues? We actually only have one other SDMB league going, the dynasty league, and we draft in the thread over a week. Traditionally this league drafts the Tuesday after labor day, I think at 9 eastern. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/5 "2022-08-25T23:08:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > this league drafts the Tuesday after labor day, I think at 9 eastern This would be ideal for me again. Edit: happy cake day, Beef ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/6 "2022-08-25T23:29:41Z")
Just to kick things off: I’ll be keeping: Trey Lance in the 7th (drafted in 9th). Michael Thomas in the 8th (drafted in 10th) Zach Ertz in the 14th (drafted in 16th). ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/7 "2022-08-26T00:54:22Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Traditionally this league drafts the Tuesday after labor day, I think at 9 eastern. I’m flying back from vacation that day but I should be able to make it. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/8 "2022-08-26T14:50:15Z")
Draft set for 9am eastern on 9/6. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/9 "2022-08-26T14:51:28Z")
Tuesday works for me. Not sure I have anyone worth keeping this year, but I am considering Zach Wilson in 9 and James Robinson in 8 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/10 "2022-08-26T15:24:30Z")
Keepers: Ja’Marr Chase in the 4th (hell yeah) Rashaad Penny in the 9th ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/11 "2022-08-26T16:15:37Z")
Keepers: Cooper Kupp (1) Leonard Fournette (5) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/12 "2022-08-26T18:44:52Z")
> [@Wilson](#): > > Draft set for 9am eastern on 9/6. Just to be clear, this is a typo and it’s set for 9pm. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/13 "2022-08-27T12:00:24Z")
So I grabbed the draft order template from the thread a couple of years ago, which is: 1: Winner of prior year’s consolation bracket. 2 - 8: Reverse order of bottom of standings 9 - 14: Reverse order of winner’s bracket Which gives us: 1. Exploding Pancakes (SenorBeef) 2. Omnipotents (Omniscient) 3. Baltimore Weirdos (weirddave) 4. Hermits (The Mad Hermit) 5. Post Mahomes (Frosted glass?) 6. Chicago Cardinals (dalej42) 7. Disgruntled Goats (motu) 8. Battle Bastards 9. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson) 10. Moridwon (Hamlet) 11. Nine Inch Neils (RNATB) 12. Spiritus Mundane (Spiritus Mundi) 13. Carcosa Yellow Kings (Munch) 14. Big Mack Attack (AlsoNamedBort/enalzi) Remind me. Post Mahomes used to be owned by Sir T-Cups/Quack Attack’s wife, but Frosted Glass took it over a couple of years ago and kept the name, is that right? I’m not sure who Battle Bastards are. We’re missing Omni and The Mad Hermit. I’m pretty sure Omni is in, has anyone tried to contact Hermit? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/14 "2022-08-27T12:19:06Z")
I’m going to keep DeAndre Swift in the 2nd and JK Dobbins in the 10th. I’m willing to trade out of my 1.01. Since I’m keeping two good RBs, taking a RB with the 1.01 seems like it’d make my team way RB heavy (although that’s a viable strategy) and it’s too early to take any other position, so I’m willing to trade down in exchange for, I guess, moving up in a bunch of other rounds. Except my second round pick will be used as a keeper, which limits how much value I can get in return for a pick swap. So, hmm… I know we outlawed trading the rights for keepers that you aren’t going to keep because you already have 3 keepers, but can you trade a kept player for draft picks? I think that’s still legal, right? Anyway I’d be willing to move down in the first round in exchange for a good value keeper in later rounds. PM me if you’re interested in getting the 1.01 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/15 "2022-08-27T16:54:42Z")
Pretty sure we got rid of trading draft picks. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/16 "2022-08-27T17:08:49Z")
I would have to look it up but I don’t think we got rid of trading draft picks in general. What would’ve been the reason for that? I don’t think there’s anything controversial about, trading, say, the 1.01 and 5.01 for the 1.06 and 2.08 (that’s the sort of deal I was thinking I might make). We did have a big thing about trading keeper rights for players you weren’t going to keep, which was explicitly allowed in the rules but there was a big fight when I actually did it. We also banned swapping picks in rounds you used to keep a player (like moving back from 2.04 to 2.14 to keep a player later in the second round, and getting value in some other round). You may be thinking of one of those rules. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/17 "2022-08-27T19:29:51Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Keepers: > Ja’Marr Chase in the 4th (hell yeah) > Rashaad Penny in the 9th For some reason I thought I got to pick first not last. WIth that change I’m also going to add Justin Herbert in the 3rd to my keepers. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/18 "2022-08-27T22:36:23Z")
You fought really hard to stop trading picks associated with rounds where players were being kept. Here’s the post that led to us ruling against it: > [@He Hate Me FF Keeper League – Year 12](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-12/690989/11): > > Alright, as far as advocating against the trades of picks that represent kept players [page 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=692419&page=2) of last year’s thread contains a lot of discussion about it. Assigning players to certain picks is a record-keeping necessity because of the way yahoo does the draft. What’s actually being done, or should be done in a keeper system, is that you keep a player, and that player is removed from the draft, and one of your picks is also removed from the draft. Even though a guy may technically be kept in rou… ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/19 "2022-08-27T23:09:49Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > We also banned swapping picks in rounds you used to keep a player (like moving back from 2.04 to 2.14 to keep a player later in the second round, and getting value in some other round). You may be thinking of one of those rules. Yeah - looks like that’s what I linked to. But I don’t know how we’d separate the two. If you’re going to ban trading picks when one team has a keeper in one of the rounds, we start getting into an unequal opportunity for other teams when trading “normal” picks and others can’t make an offer because they have a keeper. I’ll dig though and see if we ended up just banning the trade of picks outright, to avoid a bunch of arguing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/20 "2022-08-27T23:26:41Z")
Separating the two is easy - as long as you’re not trading a pick that’s being used to keep a player, that’s not what’s going on. If, as in an example I gave above, I tried the 1.01 and 5.01 for the 1.06 and 2.08 (numbers picked for example purposes), none of those picks are being used to keep a player, no gaming of the system is going on. I’m just willing to trade the right to move up a few spots in the first round for swapping a 2nd and 5th round pick as compensation. That’s a trade you can make in any league that has nothing to do with keepers. I’m not sure how you’re saying that’s inseparable from the rule against trading picks that are being used to keep players to move them around in the draft order for that round. They are not related. It gets more complicated if someone were to trade me a keeper to compensate for moving up in the first round. I’m pretty sure that’s legal and doesn’t run afoul of either of the two rules you mentioned, but I’d have to dig up the wording of how that fits in with the rules. That would look something like: I give up the 1.01 for the 1.06, and in compensation the other owner trades me a player they kept. I have a vague memory of trades like that being explicitly legal from a long time ago, but I’m okay with avoiding that sort of deal if it’s controversial somehow. That doesn’t match either of the two cases I mentioned above - the keeper rights of a player you’re not keeping because they’d be your 4th+ keeper aren’t being traded, and you’re not trying to trade a kept pick within-rounds to move the bookkeeping pick around to gain an advantage. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337.md?page=2)