# He Hate Me Keeper League 2022 - Year 20 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [August 25, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337 "2022-08-25T16:16:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/21 "2022-08-27T23:45:19Z")
I was reading the thread from the post you linked and you yourself made a trade of the latter type a few posts later: > [@He Hate Me FF Keeper League – Year 12](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-12/690989/32): > > Jules and I have a trade to announce, now that the keeper rules are set: > > Jules gives up: Ben Tate, Round 16 pick > Munch gives up: Round 8 pick I don’t recall an intervening rule change since then (2014), but it may have happened. But this demonstrates that even after the trading of kept picks was banned, trading keepers for draft compensation was allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/22 "2022-08-27T23:56:04Z")
Well, if we had made a rule, it likely wouldn’t have taken place until the next year. We slow around here. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/23 "2022-08-27T23:58:11Z")
I really don’t get why you’re trying to imply I’m doing something shady or against the rules. The rules you cited have nothing to do with what I proposed. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/24 "2022-08-28T00:00:09Z")
I’m absolutely not - I just remember having a big discussion about trading draft picks, I remember a rule being made (which are ALWAYS made for the next season), and simply saying “give me some time to look it up”. I have 3 kids to put to bed, and am just making quick responses here, not making a deep dive into the ancient scrolls. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/25 "2022-08-28T00:57:25Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > trading keepers for draft compensation was allowed. Looks like that’s absolutely right - I was mistaken how the rule was worded: > [@He Hate Me FF Keeper League – Year 12](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-ff-keeper-league-year-12/690989/31): > > Should we abolish trading keeper round draft picks? > Yes: 8 > No: 2 ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/26 "2022-08-28T02:04:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Remind me. Post Mahomes used to be owned by Sir T-Cups/Quack Attack’s wife, but Frosted Glass took it over a couple of years ago and kept the name, is that right? Yup! I kept the name after I took over to make it easy for folks, but now I’m kind of used to it. I’ll post my keepers tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/27 "2022-08-28T13:59:02Z")
Keepers: Kirk Cousins (9) Amon-Ra St Brown (13) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/28 "2022-08-29T01:09:28Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Looks like that’s absolutely right - I was mistaken how the rule was worded: So just to be clear, swapping picks for picks (for example, 1.01 and 5.01 for 1.06 and 2.08) is cool, and also trading kept players for picks (1.01 and 16.14 for 1.06 and a player kept by the other team) are both legal? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/29 "2022-08-29T12:55:22Z")
I think that’s fine - the only rule would be that you have to trade the same number of picks. Should we also include a good sportsmanship clause in there to prevent people from circumventing the keeper round trade rule? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/30 "2022-08-29T13:01:04Z")
Alright then. If anyone is interested in the 1.01 pick, I’m willing to trade down in the first round. In exchange I’d like a second or third round pick (depending on how far I have to move down). You would get one of my mid-round picks in return. So something like 1.01 and my 4th round pick for your 1st and second picks, or maybe my 6th round pick if you’re late in the first round and I’m moving down more. Maybe your third rounder instead of second if I’m only moving down a little bit. PM me and we’ll work something out. I’m also willing to do a first round pick swap in exchange for a good keeper. I give you 1.01 and my last pick, you give me your first rounder and a keeper. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/31 "2022-08-29T13:01:43Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Should we also include a good sportsmanship clause in there to prevent people from circumventing the keeper round trade rule? I’m not sure what you’re referring to. We already can’t trade picks used to keep players - if you keep a player that pick essentially disappears. Could you explain the scenario you’re worried about? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/32 "2022-08-29T13:03:58Z")
Yeah. Let’s say you swap your 5.01 for 5.14 (as part of your offer to trade down from 1.01), and then later trade me for Fournette (who is a 5th rounder). ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/33 "2022-08-29T13:16:17Z")
Hmm. When we trade a keeper, are we trading the eligibility to keep a player with your own pick, or are they still kept at their original pick? Say you keep player A in the 3rd round. You decide to trade me player A as payment to move up a few slots in round 1. So you give me Fournette and the 1.04, and I give you 1.01 and some other pick to balance it out. In this case, do you still keep Fournette with the 3.04 pick, and then trade him to me, thereby losing your own 3rd round pick? Or do you trade the rights to me, I keep him, and lose my third round pick and you get to keep your third round pick? It could work either way, I honestly don’t remember how we do it in this league. How it works would affect whether or not it could be exploited in the manner you suggest. I’m fine with considering any attempt to game the system in the way you suggest as falling afoul of not gaining value from trading picks used to keep players. I doubt it will ever come up because you would need a very specific scenario involving two separate trades and then swapping picks in the same round, if I’m understanding your concern correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/34 "2022-08-29T13:49:47Z")
I don’t remember if we specifically discussed how this all would work. Like Munch, I thought we’d outlawed more than we had, based on the posts that were found. I’m probably in the minority, but I’d prefer to ban all trading of picks, as well as trading rights to keepers. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/35 "2022-08-29T14:23:50Z")
(Just bored and killing time; FF on the brain since the dynasty draft is about to start so figured I’d see what’s up here.) > [@SenorBeef](#): > > In this case, do you still keep Fournette with the 3.04 pick, and then trade him to me, thereby losing your own 3rd round pick? Or do you trade the rights to me, I keep him, and lose my third round pick and you get to keep your third round pick? > > It could work either way, I honestly don’t remember how we do it in this league. > [@Wilson](#): > > I don’t remember if we specifically discussed how this all would work. Like Munch, I thought we’d outlawed more than we had, based on the posts that were found. I do kind of remember that it was decided that the player is tied to the pick, so in your example of Fournette, you’d have to spend your own 3.04 to keep Fournette before you could trade him away, so you lose the pick, not the person trading for him. (I don’t 100% remember this, just kind of.) A related issue was if you had more than three players worth keeping. Could you keep three and trade the fourth to someone else for a draft pick? Pretty sure the same answer and rule: No, because the player is tied to the pick where they’re kept, meaning you’d have to keep four players to do that but you only get three. For what it’s worth; I could be misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/36 "2022-08-30T07:04:46Z")
Seems like the best way to handle this is the way that the NBA handles it. All trades are officially executed after the draft. Any pre- or mid-draft trade is a proposal only until the picks get made both sides of a deal. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/37 "2022-08-30T22:18:06Z")
I’m keeping AJ Dillon in R4 and Alexander Mattison in R7. Everyone else on my team got injured last year, or was Calvin Ridley, or is Josh Allen and no longer keeper-eligible. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/38 "2022-09-02T15:12:20Z")
I’m out here, con’t seem to get to the actual league. Still on Yahoo? ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/39 "2022-09-02T15:32:55Z")
It is. Maybe check email for the invite. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337/40 "2022-09-02T16:15:11Z")
I have the reminder notice but there is no link directly to the game. could someone share me the link again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-2022-year-20/970337.md?page=3)