# He Hate Me Keeper League - Year 16 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 20, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242 "2018-07-20T00:03:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/1 "2018-07-20T00:03:52Z")
We traditionally draft the day after Labor Day so the draft will be set to Tuesday, Sep 4 at 8:30 Eastern. If that’s a problem, speak up now. Schedule NFL Season Starts Thursday, September 7 Offseason Trade Deadline: 9/1/18 Keeper Declaration: 9/2/18 (at midnight) Live Draft: 9/4/18 @ 8:30pm EDT (Tuesday) Keeper Rules 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the second round (third rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incurs a two round penalty (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) Hall of Fame Year 1 winner: mouthbreather Year 2 winner: Spiritus Mundi Year 3 winner: Spiritus Mundi Year 4 winner: The Mad Hermit Year 5 winner: Nurse Carmen Year 6 winner: Weirddave Year 7 winner: VarlosZ Year 8 winner: Weirddave Year 9 winner: Really Not All That Bright Year 10 winner: Really Not All That Bright Year 11 winner: VarlosZ Year 12 winner: Ottoerotic Year 13 Winner: Weirddave Year 14 Winner: motu Year 15 Winner: Johnny Ace If you’re interested in playing this league, you can express the interest here and if anyone isn’t coming back we’ll look to recruit. I would strongly prefer if someone else were to take over commissioner of this league. It has never been my league and I never felt quite right running it - but no one else seemed to want to step up when Munch vacated it and so I just took it to get stuff done. But for various reasons I’d like someone else to run the league, so if you’re interested, please say so. Keeper lists will come later, as well as rule change proposals. I have to go back and read all that mess last year to figure out what exactly we need to change or clarify. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/2 "2018-07-20T00:07:17Z")
**League History** **2003 Season 1** [The SDMB “He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not” Football League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=199147) **2004 Season 2** [Upcoming SDMB fantasy football league…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=251453) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Review](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286234) [SDMB H.H.M. Keeper League Rules Ballot.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290993) **2005 Season 3** [Yahoo fantasy football signup now open…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=324132) [He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Draft Review 2006](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=342937) Season wrap-up [post=7136352]here[/post] **2006 Season 4** [He Hate Me FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374061) Season wrap-up [post=8131857]here[/post] **2007 Season 5** [He Hate Me So Bad FF keeper league](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=423632) Season wrap-up [post=9386723]here[/post] **2008 Season 6** [He Hate Me Some Me FF Keeper League](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=465946) **2009 Season 7** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - yr 7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525636) **2010 Season 8** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=572812) **2011 Season 9** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=618920) **2012 Season 10** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=655233) **2013 Season 11** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=692419) **2014 Season 12** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - year 12](http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/hehatemesdmb/2014) **2015 Season 13** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - Year 13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=765240) **2016 Season 14** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - Year 14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=801029) **2017 Season 15** [He Hate Me FF keeper league - Year 15](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=832386) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/3 "2018-07-20T00:09:58Z")
We’ll be replacing at least two people this year. Varlos has disappeared and Johnny Ace agreed not to play this year. If anyone is interested, feel free to post here or PM me. ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/4 "2018-07-20T14:19:40Z")
I’ll take the commissionership if no-one else will. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/5 "2018-07-20T14:38:14Z")
I’ll join too if you have the space ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/6 "2018-07-20T15:05:45Z")
Just checked - after fifteen years in this league, my average finish is 7.6 out of 14. I’m almost perfectly average! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/7 "2018-08-02T05:03:41Z")
I’m having trouble seeing last year’s draft results (to generate keeper lists). There’s a year selection screen on the main league page, but it doesn’t actually seem to do anything - even after changing to any other year, it still just lists this year’s (blank) rosters and draft. Is anyone else able to see last year’s draft results correctly? It looks like we’re going to have to replace 3 players this year. Varlos disappeared in the middle of last year and hasn’t been seen since, Overly Sentimental told me he’s cutting his fantasy leagues down this year, and Johnny Ace agreed to leave this year. I invited Sir T-Cups to the league for one of those spots, but we will still have 2 open if anyone else is interested. I may start a fantasy football recruitment thread soon. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/8 "2018-08-02T13:45:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It looks like we’re going to have to replace 3 players this year. Varlos disappeared in the middle of last year and hasn’t been seen since, Overly Sentimental told me he’s cutting his fantasy leagues down this year, and Johnny Ace agreed to leave this year. I invited Sir T-Cups to the league for one of those spots, but we will still have 2 open if anyone else is interested. I may start a fantasy football recruitment thread soon. Got your PM and responded. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/9 "2018-08-02T14:58:11Z")
I’m in! Soooo since I didn’t play last year, I won’t have anyone to keep, right? This basically means I just have to draft who I can and worry about keepers next year? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/10 "2018-08-02T15:11:18Z")
We’ll assign rosters of previous teams to new teams in terms of giving you the option at a keeper. We don’t normally need to replace 3 people so I’m not sure how to assign each roster. We could have people submit their preferences and see if those are compatabble, and if not just randomly decide who gets what. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/11 "2018-08-02T17:54:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > We’ll assign rosters of previous teams to new teams in terms of giving you the option at a keeper. We don’t normally need to replace 3 people so I’m not sure how to assign each roster. We could have people submit their preferences and see if those are compatabble, and if not just randomly decide who gets what. Since there is the keeper penalty, is there a way to decide/figure out where someone was drafted on my “team”? ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/12 "2018-08-02T18:47:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m having trouble seeing last year’s draft results (to generate keeper lists). There’s a year selection screen on the main league page, but it doesn’t actually seem to do anything - even after changing to any other year, it still just lists this year’s (blank) rosters and draft. Is anyone else able to see last year’s draft results correctly? Try this - on the main league page, under League Members, click on All Time. Then you’ll get a list of the top three finishers each year. Click the hyperlinked 2017, and then from there you’ll be able to pick Draft Results from the top. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/13 "2018-08-04T22:34:35Z")
I’m in as well. I haven’t seen an invite, though. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/14 "2018-08-16T19:46:48Z")
Alright, sorry about the slow administration this year, I’ve been away from my computer a lot in the last few weeks. I’m going to work on getting everything sorted. I’ll post the keepers list later. We’ve got at least 2 spots still open, which I’m going to try to recruiting for. I’ll also pass the commissionership to Wilson once I’ve got things in order. Does anyone else want to play in the big league? It’s a 20 man league where depth is critical and draft strategies are wide open. It’s pretty different from most leagues that way. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/15 "2018-08-17T19:27:09Z")
Looking through this stuff, I think these are my potential keepers (I think we get up to 3, with the price being where they were drafted last year +2 rounds): Andrew Luck – 3rd round Kyle Rudolph – 4th round Chris Thompson – 7th round Matt Breida – 9th round Davante Adams - 10th round Aaron Jones - 12th round I drafted and held onto Luck for the whole season, but now I’m not sure he’s worth a 3rd rounder. I definitely will be keeping Davante Adams and Aaron Jones, but I can’t decide if the 7th is too early for Thompson, if the 9th is worth an injured backup RB, and where to slot in Luck. Oh well. Off to check ADP’s. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/16 "2018-08-23T18:01:19Z")
With Omni signing up yesterday, we’ve got 11 confirmed re-upped from last year. Varlos has disappeared from the face of the Earth, Overly Sentimental left all his leagues this year, d\_odds also left all his leagues this year, and Johnny Ace is gone for obvious reasons. We’re down 4 and I’ve only managed to recruit Sir T-Cups as a replacement this year. Unfortunately fantasy interest and population on the SDMB has been trending down over the years. Hardly any new people are on the boards, and a lot of older players are either leaving fantasy or contracting some of their leagues. I’ve managed to patch it together the last few years with aggressive recruitment and asking people who play in some of our leagues to play in more, but I’m not sure I can get all the leagues full this year. If anyone has any ideas, or has an off-board friend who might be interested in this league, feel free to speak up. In a pinch, I suppose we could run this league with 12 players for the first time if we had to, but we’d still need one more recruit for that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/17 "2018-08-25T01:20:32Z")
Looks like I’ll miss another draft, I’ll be having heart surgery that day. I’m still interested in playing, and it’s a challenge to make an autodraft playable. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/18 "2018-08-27T21:01:50Z")
Unfortunately I don’t think we have wiggle room on the draft date. This league has always drafted after labor day and I assume at least 1 or 2 people here couldn’t make it if we did it on a weekend - all SDMB drafts have always been during the middle of the week for that reason. Also unfortunately, it seems like there’s no more new recruits to pull out of the SDMB. The last few years I’ve mostly asked people to join more and more leagues to cover any recruiting shortfalls, and thankfully they have. But this year we lost 3 players who were in 3-4 leagues, alone, puts us down 10+ draft participants across the league, and unfortunately the SDMB is just not growing anymore, new people aren’t coming in to replace old ones. I’ve tried to invite people to recruit their off-board friends, started a recruitment thread on the boards, posted in the other fantasy league threads, and asked a few people to handle more leagues, but it’s just not working this year. We’re probably going to have the run this league as a 12 man league this year unfortunately and to even do that I need one more recruit, so I’m still open to ideas about that one. Does anyone have a friend they could recruit for at least 1 more slot? ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/19 "2018-08-27T21:12:14Z")
I could probably get my wife to join. She enjoys football, fantasy and humiliating me…but she’s already in 2 other leagues and probably wouldn’t want to continue doing 3 in the future, but would do this as a favor to me. Basically, I can get us a one-year rental. Do you want permanent people or is a band-aid ok for now and we’ll deal with the future in the future? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242/20 "2018-08-27T21:16:23Z")
A band-aid would definitely work this year. We need at least an even number of people to conduct a draft, and we’re at 11, so that would be good to know we at least hit 12. Thank you. I’ll put together the lists of available keepers today. New incoming players typically get assigned the keepers of leaving players, so that they aren’t starting from scratch. I’m not sure how to assign them to you two - I guess you guys could just take your pick from the 4 people who left. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-keeper-league-year-16/818242.md?page=2)