# He Hate Me So Bad FF keeper league **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 5, 2007, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801 "2007-06-05T06:11:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/121 "2007-11-14T16:59:23Z")
[QUOTE=Wilson] Average points against by team: ```auto Varlos 103.70 Hamlet 98.55 Munch 96.14 Omni 94.11 Ellis Dee 92.39 Chitwood 90.98 Bababooey 88.52 Weirddave 87.45 Wilson 86.68 Furt 86.50 Neuroman 85.15 Mundi 84.00 Hermit 83.95 NurseCarmen 72.87 ``` [/QUOTE] Cool statistics. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the average points against quantified before. That’s quite a bit of variation there, I’d be interested to see what the end of season numbers look like. Also, this makes me think my execrably bad team is even worse, since I’ve had the 4th easiest schedule so far. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/122 "2007-11-14T17:33:05Z")
It’s got to be driving people crazy that I am tied for first place, yet only 3 people have less total points than me. Yes. I have had a stretch of luck I might say. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/123 "2007-12-13T22:27:42Z")
Hey Ellis, don’t know if I’ll be checking in on the fantasy playoffs with holiday travel and a job search going on, but just wanted to say thanks for another well run season! And I hope to see everyone back again next summer (a new beginning which I am looking forward to… yeesh was my team bad this year.) ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/124 "2007-12-25T15:13:11Z")
Congratualtions to **NurseCarmen** , our 2007 He Hate Me Keeper League champion! Congratulations are also due to **furt** , who loses in the championship game for the second consecutive year. I’d also like to express my sympathy for me, **VarlosZ** , who finished the regular season #1 in points scored but #8 in the standings. For the second straight year I’ll be picking 1st overall in the draft. Tomlinson or Purple Jesus? Tough choice. Very tough. 2008 Draft Order: 1. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz 2. MunchsUrbanAchievers (Munch) 3. New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee) 4. Baltimore Wierdos (Wierddave) 5. Rhinosaurs (neuroman) 6. CedricBensonBusts (BabaBooey) 7. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson) 8. Moridwon (Hamlet) 9. Curtis Salaam Benson (Omniscient) 10. Trade Down For Kolb (Jimmy Chitwood) 11. Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit) 12. Solomon Mundi (Spiritus Mundi) 13. Fightin’ Quakers (furt) 14. CarMenace (NurseCarmen) ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2007, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/125 "2007-12-26T04:11:52Z")
I had a crappy draft, but _excellent_ timing. If we relied on scoring only, I wasn’t in first place. In fact, I was in 9th place. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz 1519.71 Solomon Mundi 1469.24 Crabby Hermits 1445.90 Fightin’ Quakers 1403.43 New York Fanboys 1341.69 MunchsUrbanAchievers 1333.19 Trade Down for Kolb 1292.45 Fourth and Nineteen 1269.86 \*\*CarMenace 1220.90 \*\* Baltimore Weirdos 1201.44 Curtis Salaam Benson 1155.54 CedricBensonBusts 1144.35 Moridwon (Hamlet) 1122.44 Rhinosaurs(neuroman) 887.83 On top of that, if you happened to have a winning record, the chances are that you would have a bad game against me. Varlos was the only one with a winning record to beat me. But if you had a losing record, my chances went down hill dramatically. I lost to the 9th, 12th and 13th place teams. Neither of my QBs were in the top twenty for scoring among QBs. My top running back was 28th in scoring for RBs. I really hope Wilson doesn’t want to work soon, because I’m sure there are a ton of stats that would point to my team sucking, and it would be cool to see them. On the flip side, this _had_ to be my year. I don’t have shit for keepers. That said. It was another fun year. I’m already rubbing Buddha’s belly in preparation for next year. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801/126 "2008-01-20T06:30:21Z")
He Hate Me Keeper League Year 5 Roundup **Schedule** Signup Deadline: Thursday 7/31/08 Offseason Trade Deadline: Tuesday 8/19/08 Keeper Declaration: Tuesday 8/26/08 Live Draft: Monday 9/1/08 (Labor Day) at 10:30pm ET **Keeper Rules** 1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players. 2. You can only keep players drafted after the third round. (Fourth rounders or later only.) 3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.) 4. A kept player incures a two round penalty. (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.) **Hall of Fame** Year 1 winner: mouthbreather Year 2 winner: Spiritus Mundi Year 3 winner: Spiritus Mundi Year 4 winner: The Mad Hermit Year 5 winner: Nurse Carmen **Final Standings: Year 5** 1. CarMenace 2. Fightin’ Quakers 3. Solomon Mundi 4. Crabby Hermits 5. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz 6. MunchsUrbanAchievers 7. New York Fanboys 8. Baltimore Weirdos 9. Trade Down for Kolb 10. Curtis Salaam Benson 11. Moridwon (Hamlet) 12. Fourth and Nineteen 13. CedricBensonBusts 14. Rhinosaurs(neuroman) **Draft Order, Year 5** 1. VarlosZ 2. Munch 3. Ellis Dee 4. Weirddave 5. neuroman 6. BabaBooey 7. Wilson 8. Hamlet 9. Omniscient 10. Jimmy Chitwood 11. The Mad Hermit 12. Spiritus Mundi 13. furt 14. Nurse Carmen **Final Rosters** The final rosters include all relevant keeper info. The draft round listed is the round the player was drafted last year; if you want to keep them next year, subtract two rounds. Ineligible keepers are struck out, along with the reason they were disqualified. Exceptional prospects are bolded. 1. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz (VarlosZ) QB…David Garrard (QB-Jac) _8th round pick_ [del]WR…Larry Fitzgerald (Ari-WR)[/del] _3rd rounder_ WR…Deion Branch (WR-Sea) _5th round pick_ [del]RB…LaDainian Tomlinson (RB-SD)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Jamal Lewis (RB-Cle)[/del] _2nd rounder_ TE…Dallas Clark (TE-Ind) _11th round pick_ W/R…Leon Washington (RB-NYJ) _7th round pick_ [del]BN…Nate Burleson (WR-Sea)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Jason Witten (TE-Dal) _6th round pick_ BN…Ted Ginn Jr. (WR-Mia) _15th round pick_ BN…Kevin Kolb (QB-Phi) _16th round pick_ [del]BN…Joey Harrington (QB-Atl)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…J.P. Losman (QB-Buf)[/del] _free agent_ [del]K…Shayne Graham (K-Cin)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Stephen Gostkowski (K-NE)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Green Bay (DEF-GB) _14th round pick_ 2. MunchsUrbanAchievers (Munch) QB…Matt Hasselbeck (QB-Sea) _4th round pick_ [del]WR…Chad Johnson (WR-Cin)[/del] _2nd rounder_ WR…Joey Galloway (WR-TB) _8th round pick_ [del]RB…Brian Westbrook (RB-Phi)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…DeAngelo Williams (RB-Car)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]TE…Alex Smith (TE-TB)[/del] _free agent_ W/R…Jerricho Cotchery (WR-NYJ) _7th round pick_ [del]BN…Darius Walker (RB-Hou)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Jerious Norwood (RB-Atl) _5th round pick_ - kept last year BN…James Jones (WR-GB) _11th round pick_ [del]BN…Visanthe Shiancoe (TE-Min)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Alex Smith (QB-SF) _14th round pick_ - kept last year BN…Tony Hunt (RB-Phi) _12th round pick_ K…Matt Stover (K-Bal) _16th round pick_ [del]DEF…Tampa Bay (DEF-TB)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Carolina (DEF-Car) _15th round pick_ 3. New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee) [del]QB…Jeff Garcia (QB-TB)[/del] _free agent_ WR…Plaxico Burress (WR-NYG) _4th round pick_ WR…Greg Jennings (WR-GB) _9th round pick_ [del]RB…Kolby Smith (RB-KC)[/del] _free agent_ [del]RB…Adrian Peterson (RB-Min)[/del] _2nd rounder_ TE…Kellen Winslow (TE-Cle) _6th round pick_ [del]W/R…Devery Henderson (WR-NO)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Laveranues Coles (WR-NYJ) _5th round pick_ [del]BN…Luke McCown (QB-TB)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…A.J. Feeley (QB-Phi)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Ahman Green (RB-Hou)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]BN…Larry Johnson (RB-KC)[/del] _1st rounder_ BN…Brodie Croyle (QB-KC) _15th round pick_ [del]K…Rob Bironas (K-Ten)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…San Diego (DEF-SD) _8th round pick_ [del]BN…New York (DEF-NYG)[/del] _free agent_ 4. Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave) [del]QB…Carson Palmer (QB-Cin)[/del] _2nd rounder_ WR…Calvin Johnson (WR-Det) _5th round pick_ WR…Santonio Holmes (WR-Pit) _9th round pick_ - kept last year [del]RB…Joseph Addai (RB-Ind)[/del] _1st rounder_ RB…Ron Dayne (RB-Hou) _10th round pick_ [del]TE…Donald Lee (TE-GB)[/del] _free agent_ [del]W/R…Marques Colston (WR-NO)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]BN…Andre Davis (WR-Hou)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Joe Jurevicius (WR-Cle)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Brandon Jackson (RB-GB) _4th round pick_ BN…Alge Crumpler (TE-Atl) _7th round pick_ [del]BN…Musa Smith (RB-Bal)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Brandon Jones (WR-Ten) _13th round pick_ [del]BN…Derrick Ward (RB-NYG)[/del] _free agent_ [del]K…Josh Brown (K-Sea)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Jacksonville (DEF-Jac) _11th round pick_ 5. Rhinosaurs(neuroman) QB…Vince Young (QB-Ten) _9th round pick_ - kept last year [del]WR…Bobby Engram (WR-Sea)[/del] _free agent_ [del]WR…Amani Toomer (WR-NYG)[/del] _free agent_ [del]RB…Shaun Alexander (RB-Sea)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Fred Jackson (RB-Buf)[/del] _free agent_ TE…Chris Cooley (TE-Was) _6th round pick_ W/R…Sidney Rice (WR-Min) _16th round pick_ BN…Donte’ Stallworth (WR-NE) _7th round pick_ BN…Ladell Betts (RB-Was) _5th round pick_ BN…Jason Campbell (QB-Was) _8th round pick_ [del]BN…Roydell Williams (WR-Ten)[/del] _free agent_ BN…JaMarcus Russell (QB-Oak) _13th round pick_ BN…Brady Quinn (QB-Cle) _14th round pick_ [del]K…Neil Rackers (K-Ari)[/del] _free agent_ [del]DEF…Cincinnati (DEF-Cin)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Tennessee (DEF-Ten)[/del] _free agent_ 6. CedricBensonBusts (BabaBooey) QB…Brett Favre (QB-GB) _7th round pick_ WR…Reggie Brown (WR-Phi) _5th round pick_ WR…Jerry Porter (WR-Oak) _9th round pick_ [del]RB…Rudi Johnson (RB-Cin)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Marshawn Lynch (RB-Buf)[/del] _2nd rounder_ TE…Randy McMichael (TE-StL) _13th round pick_ W/R…Brandon Jacobs (RB-NYG) _4th round pick_ - kept last year BN…Pierre Thomas (RB-NO) _16th round pick_ [del]BN…Cedric Benson (RB-Chi)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]BN…Derek Anderson (QB-Cle)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Vincent Jackson (WR-SD) _6th round pick_ BN…Chad Pennington (QB-NYJ) _8th round pick_ BN…Michael Bush (RB-Oak) _11th round pick_ [del]K…John Kasay (K-Car)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Seattle (DEF-Sea) _12th round pick_ [del]BN…Chicago (DEF-Chi)[/del] _expired_ 7. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson) [del]QB…Philip Rivers (QB-SD)[/del] _expired_ [del]WR…Torry Holt (WR-StL)[/del] _2nd rounder_ WR…Andre Johnson (WR-Hou) _4th round pick_ [del]RB…Marion Barber (RB-Dal)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]RB…Reggie Bush (RB-NO)[/del] _1st rounder_ TE…Owen Daniels (TE-Hou) _16th round pick_ [del]W/R…Edgerrin James (RB-Ari)[/del] _2nd rounder_ [del]BN…Maurice Morris (RB-Sea)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Derrick Mason (WR-Bal) _10th round pick_ BN…Todd Heap (TE-Bal) _5th round pick_ BN…Chris Chambers (WR-SD) _6th round pick_ [del]BN…Kenny Watson (RB-Cin)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Patrick Crayton (WR-Dal)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Kyle Boller (QB-Bal)[/del] _free agent_ K…Adam Vinatieri (K-Ind) _8th round pick_ DEF…New England (DEF-NE) _7th round pick_ 8. Moridwon (Hamlet) QB…Jon Kitna (QB-Det) _8th round pick_ - kept last year [del]WR…Roddy White (WR-Atl)[/del] _free agent_ [del]WR…Steve Smith (WR-Car)[/del] _2nd rounder_ RB… **Maurice Jones-Drew** (RB-Jac) _6th round pick_ - kept last year RB… **Chester Taylor** (RB-Min) _5th round pick_ TE…Benjamin Watson (TE-NE) _9th round pick_ W/R…Fred Taylor (RB-Jac) _4th round pick_ BN…Chris Henry (WR-Cin) _13th round pick_ [del]BN…Kurt Warner (QB-Ari)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Marc Bulger (QB-StL)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]BN…Marvin Harrison (WR-Ind)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]BN…Tony Scheffler (TE-Den)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Brian Leonard (RB-StL) _12th round pick_ BN…Michael Turner (RB-SD) _11th round pick_ - kept last year K…David Akers (K-Phi) _15th round pick_ DEF…Baltimore (DEF-Bal) _7th round pick_ 9. Curtis Salaam Benson (Omniscient) QB…Ben Roethlisberger (QB-Pit) _6th round pick_ WR…Anquan Boldin (WR-Ari) _4th round pick_ WR…Bernard Berrian (WR-Chi) _7th round pick_ [del]RB…Willis McGahee (RB-Bal)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Ryan Grant (RB-GB)[/del] _free agent_ [del]TE…Chris Baker (TE-NYJ)[/del] _free agent_ W/R…Adrian Peterson (RB-Chi) _8th round pick_ [del]BN…Kevin Curtis (WR-Phi)[/del] _expired_ [del]BN…Thomas Jones (RB-NYJ)[/del] _2nd rounder_ BN…Chris Brown (RB-Ten) _5th round pick_ BN…Matt Schaub (QB-Hou) _9th round pick_ BN…Muhsin Muhammad (WR-Chi) _11th round pick_ BN…Michael Bennett (RB-TB) _12th round pick_ [del]BN…Arnaz Battle (WR-SF)[/del] _free agent_ [del]K…Jeff Reed (K-Pit)[/del] _free agent_ [del]DEF…Kansas City (DEF-KC)[/del] _free agent_ 10. Trade Down for Kolb (Jimmy Chitwood) QB…Drew Brees (QB-NO) _5th round pick_ - kept last year [del]WR…Reggie Wayne (WR-Ind)[/del] _2nd rounder_ WR… **Dwayne Bowe** (WR-KC) _15th round pick_ [del]RB…Steven Jackson (RB-StL)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Earnest Graham (RB-TB)[/del] _free agent_ [del]TE…L.J. Smith (TE-Phi)[/del] _free agent_ [del]W/R…Justin Fargas (RB-Oak)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Selvin Young (RB-Den)[/del] _free agent_ BN…LaMont Jordan (RB-Oak) _4th round pick_ BN…Santana Moss (WR-Was) _6th round pick_ BN…Ronald Curry (WR-Oak) _10th round pick_ BN…Jay Cutler (QB-Den) _9th round pick_ - kept last year BN…Anthony Gonzalez (WR-Ind) _8th round pick_ [del]K…Nate Kaeding (K-SD)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Dallas (DEF-Dal) _11th round pick_ [del]BN…Buffalo (DEF-Buf)[/del] _free agent_ 11. Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit) QB… **Tony Romo** (QB-Dal) _6th round pick_ [del]WR…T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR-Cin)[/del] _2nd rounder_ [del]WR…Terrell Owens (WR-Dal)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]RB…Willie Parker (RB-Pit)[/del] _expired_ RB…Julius Jones (RB-Dal) _4th round pick_ TE…Tony Gonzalez (TE-KC) _5th round pick_ W/R…Devin Hester (WR-Chi) _13th round pick_ BN…Antwaan Randle El (WR-Was) _9th round pick_ - kept last year [del]BN…Donovan McNabb (QB-Phi)[/del] _3rd rounder_ BN…Najeh Davenport (RB-Pit) _16th round pick_ BN…Correll Buckhalter (RB-Phi) _14th round pick_ BN…Sammy Morris (RB-NE) _12th round pick_ BN…Drew Carter (WR-Car) _15th round pick_ K…Robbie Gould (K-Chi) _11th round pick_ [del]BN…Jason Elam (K-Den)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Pittsburgh (DEF-Pit) _8th round pick_ 12. Solomon Mundi (Spiritus Mundi) [del]QB…Peyton Manning (QB-Ind)[/del] _1st rounder_ WR… **Braylon Edwards** (WR-Cle) _7th round pick_ - kept last year WR… **Wes Welker** (WR-NE) _12th round pick_ [del]RB…Clinton Portis (RB-Was)[/del] _2nd rounder_ RB…Kevin Jones (RB-Det) _6th round pick_ [del]TE…Antonio Gates (TE-SD)[/del] _3rd rounder_ W/R…Lee Evans (WR-Buf) _4th round pick_ BN…DeShaun Foster (RB-Car) _4th round pick_ [del]BN…Kevin Walter (WR-Hou)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Greg Olsen (TE-Chi) _15th round pick_ BN…Darrell Jackson (WR-SF) _5th round pick_ BN…Dominic Rhodes (RB-Oak) _9th round pick_ [del]BN…Rex Grossman (QB-Chi)[/del] _free agent_ [del]K…Nick Folk (K-Dal)[/del] _free agent_ [del]DEF…Indianapolis (DEF-Ind)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Detroit (DEF-Det)[/del] _free agent_ 13. Fightin’ Quakers (furt) [del]QB…Tom Brady (QB-NE)[/del] _3rd rounder_ WR…Donald Driver (WR-GB) _4th round pick_ WR…Brandon Marshall (WR-Den) _11th round pick_ [del]RB…Frank Gore (RB-SF)[/del] _expired_ RB…LenDale White (RB-Ten) _5th round pick_ TE…Vernon Davis (TE-SF) _8th round pick_ - kept last year [del]W/R…Aaron Stecker (RB-NO)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Mike Furrey (WR-Det)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Jesse Chatman (RB-Mia)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Javon Walker (WR-Den)[/del] _3rd rounder_ BN…Kenton Keith (RB-Ind) _14th round pick_ BN…Kellen Clemens (QB-NYJ) _13th round pick_ [del]K…Mason Crosby (K-GB)[/del] _free agent_ [del]DEF…Arizona (DEF-Ari)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…New Orleans (DEF-NO)[/del] _free agent_ [del]BN…Denver (DEF-Den)[/del] _free agent_ 14. CarMenace (Nurse Carmen) [del]QB…Tarvaris Jackson (QB-Min)[/del] _free agent_ WR…Hines Ward (WR-Pit) _4th round pick_ [del]WR…Randy Moss (WR-NE)[/del] _3rd rounder_ [del]RB…Laurence Maroney (RB-NE)[/del] _2nd rounder_ RB…Reuben Droughns (RB-NYG) _9th round pick_ TE…Heath Miller (TE-Pit) _7th round pick_ [del]W/R…Reggie Williams (WR-Jac)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Warrick Dunn (RB-Atl) _5th round pick_ BN…Eli Manning (QB-NYG) _6th round pick_ [del]BN…Travis Henry (RB-Den)[/del] _1st rounder_ [del]BN…Shaun McDonald (WR-Det)[/del] _free agent_ BN…Lance Moore (WR-NO) _13th round pick_ BN…Zach Miller (TE-Oak) _15th round pick_ [del]BN…Steve Smith (WR-NYG)[/del] _free agent_ [del]K…Jason Hanson (K-Det)[/del] _free agent_ DEF…Minnesota (DEF-Min) _12th round pick_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/he-hate-me-so-bad-ff-keeper-league/406801.md?page=6)