Interestingly the dowser concerned has discussed his tests at length on the Randi forums. He was quite happy and looking forward to the next try.
Hve you got any evidence for your assertions?
I’ve had discussions with dowsers who have been tested by Randi and dowsers who refuse to be tested by him.
This last group included a dowser who said his powers did not work whenever they were tested. I asked him how he knew he had powers. he said it was obvious and didn’t need testing.
Another dowser was keen to accept my money for lessons. However when I asked him for a test first, he said his powers didn’t work if money was involved.
Meanwhile someone with your username spent ages being confused over a statement by Randi and called everyone who disagreed with him liars and fools.
Was that you by any chance? :rolleyes:
Peter Morris, in the interest of fighting ignorance, :rolleyes: what do your assertions have to do with if Head-On works?
Can you design a test that will tell us what we want to know better than what I have suggested? I see absolutely no reason why the name of James Randi needs to be part of your answer.
Not true. He discussed the test at length on Randi’s forums, and made it plain that he was not at all happy with his trewatment
See the long discussions on the Randi forums.
cite?
I was not in the least bit confused by Randi’s statements. I recognised from the very start that his stories were utterly false, and took him to task over it. No misunderstanding, just exposing a conman.
And I know you hate me for it, but please stop being so obsessed about it.
Peter Morris, do you have any comments directly related to the OP? Like answering my previous question in post #62, “Can you design a test that will tell us what we want to know [Is Head-On a placebo?] better than what I have suggested?”
Look, if you want to continue bitching at me and/or Glee, why don’t you take it to the Pit? I refuse to take your bait here, and am proposing a novel concept: we stick to the OP.
As I see it, in a thread that questioned the efficacy of Head-On, we were discussing how a typical user’s experience (“it works for me”) can be inaccurate or distorted due to an unbiased viewpoint – human nature being what it is. Some of us were giving examples to Key Lime Guy, and an example given by Glee was a link to a dowser who was 100% accurate when he knew where the water was, but could do no better than chance if he didn’t. Those of us that follow such tests don’t find it surprising, since every well-run test that we have run across has so far produced such an outcome.
I understand you may not like the dowsing test nor feel it is valid and we all know you have a personal beef with James Randi. That’s a subject for another thread. I invite you instead to answer the OP and provide an example of your choice that refutes or substantiates your position on whether or not Head-On works and the best way to test it. I have already given mine. This is not an offer limited to Peter Morris, but anyone reading this.
You can feel something. Must all medicines tingle to work, and conversely, does the tingle mean something else is happening? Or is your end desire nothing more than a tingle? Is there the slightest possibility that the manufacturers added the tingle chemical to make you feel like it was doing something useful? (I don’t know if Head-On tingles, I’m just saying.)
One opinion is that chiropractic manipulation makes people feel better, so it is not entirely useless (although the placebo effect needs to be considered here). But the underlying idea of chiropractic (subluxations, spinal adjustment) falls firmly in the bogus theory camp of long discarded ideas.
You are the one going on about it, not me. Why don’t you stop?
Seems to me that you’re the one dropping bait.
Seriously, what makes you think I disagree with you? for what reason do you keep demanding that I come up with something better?
Just to spell it out, I do not believe in homeopathy. I don’t know anything about head-on, but if it’s a homeopathic cure, as is alleged in the thread, then I don’t believe in it.
And, to be perfectly clear, I don’t challenge any of your points about double blind tests either.
Now would you please stop demanding that I answer you.
“We” are only “back to Square One” as a product of your narrow & rigid worldview. Someone who happens to be helped by chiropractic measures (or Head-On) is surely on to Square Two at least. Although they’re gullible & stupid according to you. Luckily, it’s a free society.