# Health care horror story #13848732 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 26, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612 "2009-12-26T08:01:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/561 "2010-01-28T08:02:42Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Anyway, I have never said word one about people who take back what they have paid into. Such as social security, unemployment, pension plans, etc. Despite what you all (pretend you) want to believe, there is a huge difference between taking social security and getting the government to pay for some basic need, such as health care. Particularly when the only qualification for this new social program would be a lack of insurance for whatever reason. I thought the qualification for being a part of the UHC program was being a citizen of the USA. 😃 Anyway dumbfuck, s/s, the dole, pension plans and ALL THE OTHER PLETHORA OF OTHER GOVERNMENT WELFARE SCHEMES are just that…welfare schemes. They’re designed to help everyone, and to increase the net welfare of the community. And just because you **think** you’re gonna suffer adverse financial penalties under such a program makes me dance a Happy Dance of the Penguins of Joy. They’re Chinese Communist penguins of course. 😃 Hope you quiver with ideological fear under your new regime **curlie** ya great galoot. In Communist USA, SSDI fucks YOU. And then you’ll be birthing little red babies all around the place whether you like it or not…gotta keep the sprog rate up FOR THE PARTY darling. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/562 "2010-01-28T08:35:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Opting to file for something I qualify for and am due is far different than demanding that the taxpayers pay for all of my health care. It is ? I don’t see much difference in the general principle. You are demanding taxpayers pay for your wonderful existence. And this, not until you get healthy again, but until you die. > [@](#): > > Those “some disabled folks” will not get any more money whether I take my SSDI or not. One’s social security is based on how long you worked and more or less on how much you earned. It has nothing to do with whether or not anyone “needs” it. Do the French not have some sort of state mandated retirement fund? Is SSDI money generated from an inversed black hole, a cornucopia of dollar bills maybe ? The more people draw from it, the more taxes are needed to fund it. It’s not really a difficult concept to grasp. But there was, I’ll concede you, a more advanced notion encapsulated in my sentence : whenever those state programs start needing too much tax to fund, they’re axed, or reduced. The more people like you request money they don’t need, the more _every one in the system_ risks getting fucked by a reduction of their pensions and benefits, or a tightening of the rules along which they are entitled to this or that. This is what’s happened to the French unemployment benefits and social security systems, BTW. Congratulation, \*\*curly \*\*: you’re a social parasite. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/563 "2010-01-28T16:58:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I am not capable of holding any job, even sedentary. And yet, you’re capable of posting on a message board all day. However did you teach the monkey to type for you? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/564 "2010-01-28T17:20:53Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I am not capable of holding any job, even sedentary. And I did not say that my SSDI was approved on the initial application. I’m surprised to see that only 65% are denied, since all that I have talked to had their initial application denied. I’m sure I remember you saying otherwise, but I’m not about to look it up so I’ll take your word for it. SSDI determinations are made on a state-by-state basis, and I suspect the denial rate is much higher in California. Anyway, if you had to appeal, that kind of puts a lie to the post I responded to: > [@](#): > > For one thing, I demand nothing. I filed for SSDI, just as everyone else files for regular social security when they qualify for it. I filed for SSDI long after I qualified for it, **but if I hadn’t gotten it, that would have been the end of it**. It does not fund my lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/565 "2010-01-28T17:33:41Z")
\*\*curlcoat \*\*said something that directly contradicted something else she said earlier?! My god, man! Stop the presses! Alert the media! This is an entirely unique occurence that we’ve never seen before, nor are likely to ever see again! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/566 "2010-01-28T18:23:29Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Well, my folks didn’t help me yet I didn’t file for food stamps back when I qualified for them because I wasn’t going to take welfare. Maybe if you had, though, you wouldn’t have been reduced to eating napkin sandwiches. You’re a complete an utter moron NOT to take food stamps if you qualify for them - and your taxes paid for that program just as your taxes paid for your SSDI. You’re rather starve than accept help? No, wait - you’ll accept help as long as it doesn’t make you one of _those_ people, the sort you need to feel superior to. Well, hon, you’re no better than the rest of us, and less than most. > [@](#): > > I didn’t take unemployment insurance a couple of times when I was unemployed either, even tho I’d paid into that. WHY NOT? What sort stupid are you, NOT to take unemployment if you qualify? As you said, you paid into that - WTF? Do you think you earn extra brownie points for that sort of nonsense? Or do you _like_ napkin sandwiches? Maybe if you’d taken the unemployment and the food stamps you could have eaten properly and you wouldn’t be a disabled parasite right now. Why didn’t you take responsibility for your health and nutrition? What is with people these days? They refuse help to keep them properly nourished then, when they’re debilitated from it, demand we support them on the public teat for their rest of their lives with SSDI. Outrageous! ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/567 "2010-01-28T20:04:18Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Heck, society expects more out of dog and cat breeders, but parents can have as many kids as they want and it doesn’t matter if their situation is bad or their genes are crap. They are not only allowed to have these kids, they are encouraged to do so. Responsibility does not pay. Society _expects_ people to be good parents who do as much as they can, but intelligent people can see that not everyone is going to be an ideal parent, and that sometimes things happen that are out of even the best parents control. It is not right to punish the children for this. Similarly, society expects good pet owners, but also provides safety nets in the form of animal shelters, pounds, dog and cat catchers, pest control, animal welfare officers, subsidised spay and neuter programs, and laws governing animal cruelty. We don’t just say “well, this dog got a bad owner, how stupid of him, let him die a painful death”. Generally allowing innocent creatures to suffer needlessly is considered a hallmark of a poor society. > [@](#): > > Uh, how do you jump from parents not being responsible to me not being responsible? I don’t know, how did you make that jump when others said they couldn’t afford health care for serious life-threatening conditions? And I agree with **Broomstick** that you are an idiot for not taking the help that was available to you. Your pathological fear of receiving a hand up from anyone at any time has left you a shriveled old hag, spending your days critiquing everyone else, and reflecting on the glory days when you made $30,000 a year. If it weren’t for your husband you would be on social assitance of some sort now, and yet you still can’t see that. And I still refuse to believe it was necessary for you to eat napkins while making $400/month in the 70s. Would that income even qualify you for foodstamps? Doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/568 "2010-01-28T20:23:59Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > And I still refuse to believe it was necessary for you to eat napkins while making $400/month in the 70s. She didn’t eat _napkins_, she ate napkin _sandwiches_. I doubt there was any actual napkin-eating going on–it just held the lettuce, tomatoes, etc. until she could cram all that stuff into her gaping pit of a mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/569 "2010-01-28T20:43:07Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > She didn’t eat _napkins_, she ate napkin _sandwiches_. I doubt there was any actual napkin-eating going on–it just held the lettuce, tomatoes, etc. until she could cram all that stuff into her gaping pit of a mouth. I don’t know: > [@curlcoat](#): > > Anyway, back in the day one could buy a hamburger for about a quarter, and the fast food places would have all of their condiments out on a table. So we would go in there, each buy one hamburger and then make more “hamburgers” out of the napkins and the condiments. For 25 cents, you got a whole meal, as a cup of water was free. And, I am ashamed to admit, at times I didn’t even have the 25 cents, so I’d just have the napkin sandwich. To me that sounds like she ate the napkin itself, although I’m not sure. Usually hamburger condiments are just ketchup, mustard, relish, etc, so I’m not sure how you would not eat the napkin. Also, she apparently believes it’s perfectly okay to steal food from a fast food place, but emphatically not okay to get assistance from government programs. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/570 "2010-01-28T20:47:42Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > To me that sounds like she ate the napkin itself, although I’m not sure. Usually hamburger condiments are just ketchup, mustard, relish, etc, so I’m not sure how you would not eat the napkin. See, I was picturing something more like lettuce, tomatoes, onions, etc., which she’d pile \*on \*a napkin (instead of her bare hand), maybe top with ketchup/mustard/etc, and then eat \*off \*the napkin. But not eat the actual napkin itself. **curlcoat** , care to elaborate for us? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/571 "2010-01-28T23:27:27Z")
Don’t napkins contain fiber? Gotta keep regular, you know. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/572 "2010-01-29T06:43:52Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > I missed this gem: > > a) you are the primest of prime examples of dependence on the state and your sugar daddy. You are clearly _never_ going to do anything useful ever again. When will you become responsible for yourself? Huh. Your only definition of “useful” or “responsible” is when a person has a wage paying job? If so, that is very sad. > [@](#): > > b) has nothing to do with what I said. > [@](#): > > c) are you seriously still suggesting that we should do away with minimum wage jobs, or not allow adults to hold them, or what? Surely even you are not actually this stupid. Again, nothing to do with what I said, tho much closer than b). Anyway, what I have been saying is that we should quit considering it OK or normal or whatever descriptive term you want to use that people try to live on minimum wage. It used to be that such jobs were for teenagers, college students and retirees - I don’t know when it happened that people raising children on minimum wage became acceptable to mainstream US society but all that does is drive up costs, not to mention lowering expectations and goals. > [@kambuckta](#): > > Anyway dumbfuck, s/s, the dole, pension plans and ALL THE OTHER PLETHORA OF OTHER GOVERNMENT WELFARE SCHEMES are just that…welfare schemes. They’re designed to help everyone, and to increase the net welfare of the community. Wow. When did the definition of government paid welfare change so drastically? No wonder so many people see no shame in living on welfare. > [@Kobal2](#): > > It is ? I don’t see much difference in the general principle. You are demanding taxpayers pay for your wonderful existence. And this, not until you get healthy again, but until you die. Just like every other person who gets a social security check. Which has been going on for decades long before I was even born, is something I paid into by working and something I am entitled to. Contrast that with people who blither out into the world without a plan or a clue, have a couple of kids and then whine about how expensive it is to live as an adult. I already have paid/am still paying to feed, house and give medical care to hundreds of thousands of people, now you want the taxpayer to support even more people, simply because they happen to live here. Quite an incentive to work hard and improve one’s status, huh? > [@](#): > > Is SSDI money generated from an inversed black hole, a cornucopia of dollar bills maybe ? The more people draw from it, the more taxes are needed to fund it. It’s not really a difficult concept to grasp. And? I paid so others could have their social security, SSDI and SSI for 35+ years. Do you also bitch at retirees who take their SS even if they wouldn’t starve without it? > [@](#): > > But there was, I’ll concede you, a more advanced notion encapsulated in my sentence : whenever those state programs start needing too much tax to fund, they’re axed, or reduced. You bet! The state I live in is currently collapsing under the burden of all of the social programs we have here, and it certainly isn’t because of disability payments. We’ve been paying out food stamps, subsidized housing, WIC and all the rest for so long that we have people who spend their whole lives on it, never working, usually getting into trouble with the law and creating another generation who need all these things paid for as well. It doesn’t help that we are next door to a third world country, but then again if we didn’t just hand things to people without expecting them to do _something_ to earn it, maybe we wouldn’t have so many scurrying over the border to have their babies. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/573 "2010-01-29T06:46:44Z")
Shut up with the whining about social programs, and tell us more about napkin sandwiches already! We want napkin sandwich stories! We want napkin sandwich stories! We want napkin sandwich stories! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/574 "2010-01-29T07:07:41Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > And yet, you’re capable of posting on a message board all day. However did you teach the monkey to type for you? I don’t spend anything near all day on the computer, much less this board. This would be one of those lies you all make up when you simply have no real answer. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > ISSDI determinations are made on a state-by-state basis, and I suspect the denial rate is much higher in California. Why would you think that? > [@](#): > > Anyway, if you had to appeal, that kind of puts a lie to the post I responded to: You are not aware that there are things that can be done should the appeal be denied? I wasn’t going to put a ton of effort into it so all I did were the routine things. > [@Broomstick](#): > > Maybe if you had, though, you wouldn’t have been reduced to eating napkin sandwiches. You’re a complete an utter moron NOT to take food stamps if you qualify for them - and your taxes paid for that program just as your taxes paid for your SSDI. Gosh how many assumptions can one person make. The napkin sandwiches were while I was still living with my parents so they had nothing to do with food stamps. No one is a moron for wanting to improve oneself without taking welfare and it’s pathetic that you seem to disagree with that. It is also pathetic that you think welfare and government mandated retirement are the same thing. Social Security would be self sustaining if the government would quit looting it, but welfare is simply a growing black hole. Social Security is funded by a specific tax, welfare comes out of the general budget (at least in California). > [@](#): > > You’re rather starve than accept help? Obviously, I didn’t starve. Had it gotten close to that, I imagine I would have made different choices, but it didn’t. > [@](#): > > What sort stupid are you, NOT to take unemployment if you qualify? As you said, you paid into that - WTF? Do you think you earn extra brownie points for that sort of nonsense? :rolleyes: There were two periods in my life where I was unemployed for only a few months and it just wasn’t worth the paperwork and run around to file for unemployment, because I just didn’t need that money for that short period of time. I have not actually _needed_ to work for about the past 15 years, so it simply wasn’t worth it to me to get the unemployment, particularly since we would have had to pay income tax on it. The fact that you think that is nonsense says quite a bit about you. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/575 "2010-01-29T10:15:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Wow. When did the definition of government paid welfare change so drastically? No wonder so many people see no shame in living on welfare. The true definition of ‘welfare’ payments are any transfers of funds, subsidies and/or tax concessions directly from the government to individuals who qualify under the necessary criteria to be recipients of those funds, subsidies and/or tax concessions. Just to give an example or three from here in Aus (and I’m sure there are many comparable examples to be had from the US), people buying an investment property can claim extra tax-deductions against the interest payable on that property. People buying private health insurance can claim a rebate of 30% of the cost of their insurance. Middle-class families can get a reduction of their child-care costs, and anybody investing in the Film Industry can get a nearly 100% tax-deductability status for their financial efforts. Like you though, all of these recipients of ‘welfare’ dollars from the government fail to see that they ARE getting welfare. Like you, they pidgeon-hole welfare recipients into neat little categories like the unemployed and single mothers with 15 kids. Like you, **curlcoat** , they deny that they are recieving welfare payments, when, like you getting your SSDI, they are doing exactly that. Welfare might be a dirty word in your lexicon dear, but just make sure (before you start chucking rocks at others) that your walls are made of something tougher than the glass currently cladding them. Now fuck off and get a real job you lazy, malingering whinger. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/576 "2010-01-29T10:37:31Z")
Oh, and if you really want to get into an argument about what defines a ‘welfare’ payment or provision, you’d better be prepared to back up _your_ criteria with some dead-set cites girlie. Nobody doubts that payments to the unemployed and to the poor are indeed ‘welfare’. How about the SSDI program? How about government subsidies to farmers? How about (for a topical subject) the government bail-outs for the banks affected by the GFC?? You’ve had ample time spouting shit, now I wanna see some actual data that backs up your ignorant opinions. No more of your dead-beat _welfare jive_ **curlcoat** …get with the program and start talking some sense. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/577 "2010-01-29T11:24:13Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Just like every other person who gets a social security check. Which has been going on for decades long before I was even born, is something I paid into by working and something I am entitled to. Oh. All right then. Well, there must be about… oh… a hundred bucks of mine in the Social Security piggy bank by now. Maybe two ? Clearly I’m entitled to retire now. I paid my dues, time after time. Hint : people on SSDI don’t pay for themselves. Even with a lifetime of work, you simply don’t put enough money in the jar to fund 20 years of pension. Your kids do that for you, or rather those 'orrible tykes who should never have been conceived by their idiotic, unplanning parents do. Read that again : _they_’re paying for _you_. You paid for your daddy. Was that a cringe ? Yeah, I know, me too. > [@](#): > > Contrast that with people who blither out into the world without a plan or a clue, have a couple of kids and then whine about how expensive it is to live as an adult. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE ? > [@](#): > > I already have paid/am still paying to feed, house and give medical care to hundreds of thousands of people, now you want the taxpayer to support even more people, simply because they happen to live here. Quite an incentive to work hard and improve one’s status, huh? How in the blazes are you still paying, if you’re not working ? And what are your special qualifications for SSDI, besides “you happen to live here” ? > [@](#): > > You bet! The state I live in is currently collapsing under the burden of all of the social programs we have here, and it certainly isn’t because of disability payments. Right, right. It’s those \*other \*social parasites. All their fault. You’re white as the driven slush. Gotcha. Go and break your hip, you hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/578 "2010-01-29T16:13:05Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE ? Anyone who has worked less than **curlcoat**. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/579 "2010-01-29T16:23:00Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Anyone who has worked less than **curlcoat**. I think you mean “Anyone who isn’t **curlcoat**.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2010, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/580 "2010-01-29T16:35:23Z")
\*\*CURLY \*\*YOU HAVEN’T EXPLAINED THE NAPKIN SANDWICHES YET ☹ ☹ ☹ > [@curlcoat](#): > > Anyway, what I have been saying is that we should quit considering it OK or normal or whatever descriptive term you want to use that people try to live on minimum wage. It used to be that such jobs were for teenagers, college students and retirees - I don’t know when it happened that people raising children on minimum wage became acceptable to mainstream US society but all that does is drive up costs, not to mention lowering expectations and goals. Hear that, everybody? Minimum wage jobs are so _gauche_. Please please please somebody dig up statistics about the demographics of people working minimum-wage jobs over the years. > [@curlcoat](#): > > This would be one of those lies you all make up when you simply have no real answer. If irony were a form of energy, this statement would power the city of New York for a year. > [@kambuckta](#): > > You’ve had ample time spouting shit, now I wanna see some actual data that backs up your ignorant opinions. Ahaha. Ahahaha. Ahahahahaha. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hahahahahaha. Hahahahaha. Hahaha. Ha. Ha. Haaaaaaaaa. … Heh. Thanks. I needed that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612.md?page=30)