# Health care horror story #13848732 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 26, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612 "2009-12-26T08:01:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/641 "2010-02-02T17:43:15Z")
Curlcoat, I’m still not clear on the concept…did you actually eat the napkins or not? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/642 "2010-02-02T17:48:43Z")
She’s refusing to answer. Probably because she made it up, just like everything else. PC:\* Napkin sandwiches. \*Posted containing. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/643 "2010-02-02T17:50:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Does anyone, anywhere, take you seriously? _spit take_ Well if this isn’t the pot organizing a lynch mob for the kettle, I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/644 "2010-02-02T20:06:49Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Are you actually trying to prove yourself superior by pretending I am trying to avoid the subject at hand by - changing the subject? Or are you admitting that you were wrong on the ‘I have this car payment, I like to party on Fridays and Saturdays’, etc." thing and just hoping that I don’t notice you are moving on to something else? There’s a movie called _Run, Ronnie, Run_ that has a funny scene where there’s a very stupid man (Ronnie) and he’s being chased by the police while carrying a chicken. At one point, the police have him cornered in a vacant lot, and when one of the cops shouts “drop the chicken, Ronnie,” he shouts back, “ **you** drop the chicken.” It’s funny how when I point out that you’re trying to change the subject off of one idiotic statement you made that **I keep repeatedly bringing up** (note: consistent subject), that you immediately turn around and tell me I’m changing the subject. You are not to be reasoned with. > [@](#): > > How about you ask someone what the difference is between “helping” people get an education, and providing public education, then come back. I am now officially embarrassed to have ever seriously engaged you. And suddenly I see your value: you are a public service troll-relations training program. > [@](#): > > I _do_ have more saved than the average person in this country does. (Dunno if it will be enough to cover all the new taxes tho) I’m pretty sure they’re not going to pay for healthcare by taxing your savings, genius. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/645 "2010-02-02T20:43:09Z")
The most thoroughly annoying part of this whole thread is that it was started to Pit the idea that someone who had insurance in place was denied coverage for something that was supposedly covered by said insurance, then was hijacked by **curlcoat** for the Nth reiteration of her protest against people who fail to provide for every contingency that might befall them themselves without government help – precisely what the OP reasonably believe him/herself to have done. (And this is coming from a woman who is living in part off the government dole – which she alleges she ;earned’ by paying taxes (unlike all the people who bought insurance and who also paid taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/646 "2010-02-02T21:01:42Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > The most thoroughly annoying part of this whole thread is that it was started to Pit the idea that someone who had insurance in place was denied coverage for something that was supposedly covered by said insurance, then was hijacked by **curlcoat** for the Nth reiteration of her protest against people who fail to provide for every contingency that might befall them themselves without government help – precisely what the OP reasonably believe him/herself to have done. (And this is coming from a woman who is living in part off the government dole – which she alleges she ;earned’ by paying taxes (unlike all the people who bought insurance and who also paid taxes. See, you don’t understand, all those _other_ people are useless deadbeats. She is _special_. Yes, it never seems to occur to her that many people on government assistance either have paid taxes in, or will pay taxes in the future, and probably a lot more than she ever has. And she persists in saying that her past doesn’t matter - even though it seems she prepared for nothing - but she still blames other people for everything that they have ever done, and for not forseeing every possible scenario. Very annoying indeed. ---
**Author:** ![legalsnugs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@legalsnugs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/legalsnugs)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/647 "2010-02-02T21:09:13Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > The most thoroughly annoying part of this whole thread is that it was started to Pit the idea that someone who had insurance in place was denied coverage for something that was supposedly covered by said insurance, then was hijacked by **curlcoat** for the Nth reiteration of her protest against people who fail to provide for every contingency that might befall them themselves without government help – precisely what the OP reasonably believe him/herself to have done. (And this is coming from a woman who is living in part off the government dole – which she alleges she ;earned’ by paying taxes (unlike all the people who bought insurance and who also paid taxes. And unless the democrats stop rolling over and playing dead, the OP’s scenario will play itself out over and over and over again. People will continue to die and go bankrupt and lose their homes to safeguard their health. Why is this an acceptable state of affairs for anybody??? I just don’t get it. Bring back the public option!! ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/648 "2010-02-02T22:01:59Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > And she persists in saying that her past doesn’t matter - even though it seems she prepared for nothing - but she still blames other people for everything that they have ever done, and for not forseeing every possible scenario. It’s also interesting how she now says that if she had had any hardships while she was eating napkin sandwiches, that she would have crawled back home to her parents. That’s that die-hard self-sufficiency she’s known for. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/649 "2010-02-02T22:06:18Z")
Took a several-day break from this thread to bleach my brain. Checked back in and read this entire page. Still all **curlcoat** , all insanity, all the time. Not even \*\*Polycarp \*\*can succeed in dragging the OP back to the center of attention. No serious discussion to see here, I’ll just move along again… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2010, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/650 "2010-02-02T23:46:53Z")
We DID get an update that the baby mentioned in the OP got surgery and is now at home, recovering. Thought maybe you missed it. What with the curly circus and all. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/651 "2010-02-03T00:28:41Z")
What **Broomstick** said. I’d agree with you whole-heartedly, **Poly** , about the annoyance factor, except that I deployed my secret weapon several pages ago . I lowered my expectations to where I no longer view this as anything more than a point-and-laugh session. I’m not even bothering to do more than scan anything **curlcoat** posts in it. P.S. **Westley Clark** , I hope things have stabilized financially for your FOAFs. Please convey my best wishes for them, should you get an opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/652 "2010-02-03T01:23:15Z")
What’s all this about napkin sandwiches, then? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/653 "2010-02-03T03:25:59Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > What’s all this about napkin sandwiches, then? [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11406555&postcount=1982). Basically, she and her friends would steal condiments and napkins from a burger joint and make sandwiches out of them, rather than seek public assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/654 "2010-02-03T04:05:32Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11406555&postcount=1982). > > Basically, she and her friends would steal condiments and napkins from a burger joint and make sandwiches out of them, rather than seek public assistance. Or rather than buying food, instead of spending her money on car payments and partying on Fridays and Saturdays. I still want to know if she actually ate the napkin! This crucial detail makes all the difference! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/655 "2010-02-03T04:15:22Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Don’t worry **curly**. Those of us who pay attention know that you don’t have to budget–your husband just puts it on his card. You know, the one with the blue thing. Actually, unlike most people in this country, we live on a budget, not on credit. Besides, as I said before that sapphire card is gone. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What a strange thing to read in a post from you… I don’t know why you would think so. When I discuss this subject, and others, with people IRL my opinions and observations are taken as seriously as the next man’s. > [@ntucker](#): > > It’s funny how when I point out that you’re trying to change the subject off of one idiotic statement you made that **I keep repeatedly bringing up** (note: consistent subject), that you immediately turn around and tell me I’m changing the subject. You are not to be reasoned with. I have stayed on subject all the way thru this exchange, that subject being that you chose to interpret something I said incorrectly and in the worst possible way. > [@](#): > > I’m pretty sure they’re not going to pay for healthcare by taxing your savings, genius. Of course, I never said anything like that but thanks for once again proving you cannot (or will not?) stop turning my posts into something they obviously aren’t. > [@Polycarp](#): > > The most thoroughly annoying part of this whole thread is that it was started to Pit the idea that someone who had insurance in place was denied coverage for something that was supposedly covered by said insurance, then was hijacked by **curlcoat** for the Nth reiteration of her protest against people who fail to provide for every contingency that might befall them themselves without government help Bullshit. Go back and read post #68, my first post in this thread. It contained nothing about that stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/656 "2010-02-03T04:26:56Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > When I discuss this subject, and others, with people IRL my opinions and observations are taken as seriously as the next man’s. I’m pretty sure they are just doing that ‘smile and nod’ thing that the rest of us do when confronted with seriously crazy people. Then they go home and have a good laugh, just like us. What, you didn’t know about that? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/657 "2010-02-03T05:06:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t know why you would think so. When I discuss this subject, and others, with people IRL my opinions and observations are taken as seriously as the next man’s. This would be other well-to-do show-dog owners and the like? Or are you civil and willing to acknowledge the points of others IRL, as opposed to your qyuasi-trollish behavior here? > [@](#): > > I have stayed on subject all the way thru this exchange, that subject being that you chose to interpret something I said incorrectly and in the worst possible way. Contrary to your apparent opinion, that was not the topic of this thread – until you came along and hijacked it. It was about insurance companies looking for reasons to deny payments to their insureds, with a particular example given in the OP. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. Go back and read post #68, my first post in this thread. It contained nothing about that stuff. Bullshit right back atcha! Your initial post contained a paragraph or two of apologetic for thie insurance company – making a valid point about expectations of breadth of coverage, by the way – and then a rant about people who have “baybees” and expect everyone else to pay for it. Check this out, troll: The OP described a couple with inusrance covering childbirth and newborn care who had problems getting approval for needed care for what turned out to be a special-needs child. Insurance they paid for, which presumably (from the information given) should have paid for the needed care. And eveyrthing since then has been your rant about how people expect the gummint/others to pay for everything instead of taking care of themselves, and in particular how you and your husband will be negatively impacted financially by this. **Even though you are on Federal disability income, you hypocritical bitch!** ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/658 "2010-02-03T05:18:47Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > This would be other well-to-do show-dog owners and the like? Or are you civil and willing to acknowledge the points of others IRL, as opposed to your qyuasi-trollish behavior here? I’m half worried the people IRL who “agree with her and take her seriously” might be chained up in her cellar. And have been dead for 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![spinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@spinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spinky)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/659 "2010-02-03T06:01:27Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > The OP described a couple with inusrance covering childbirth and newborn care who had problems getting approval for needed care for what turned out to be a special-needs child. Insurance they paid for, which presumably (from the information given) should have paid for the needed care. Well that doesn’t matter, you know. In **curlcoat’s** world, they’re selfish people simply because the insurance company had to pay for their childbirth. That cost is spread over many people, you know, _some of which don’t even have kids_! Selfish, selfish bastards! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612/660 "2010-02-03T06:10:47Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t know why you would think so. When I discuss this subject, and others, with people IRL my opinions and observations are taken as seriously as the next man’s. Whoaaaa. Hold up here. “…as seriously as the next man’s.” The next man’s. The next **man’s.** What the hell is going on here **MR. Curlcoat**? When was the last time anyone heard a woman say that her opinions were taken as seriously as the next man’s? And please confirm… Did you actually EAT the napkin? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/health-care-horror-story-13848732/522612.md?page=34)