That’s the Grinch.
We’re dealing with a Curlinator here. And apparently one with a defective math chip at that.
I’m sorry to hear someone apparently forced you to choose the plan you did. Signing all those forms from my HR department would have been stressful at gunpoint, and I can understand why it has made you so bitter and hateful. {{{{curlcoat}}}}
Looks like there is only one way for her/him/it to find out how great the health-care plan is, while loosing her/his/its house, savings, because these insurances always come thou for there clients.
It’s always easy to say NO to things like UHC while healthy… not so much when your sick…
Um, who do you think would end up paying for a UH in the US? That’s right, our shrinking middle class. And yup, it would certainly change our lives, but not in the way that you seem to think it would.
You are really reaching here. All I said was I am tired of funding lifestyle choices for other people because there are no group policies available that don’t include full coverage for pregnancy. From that you somehow get “who am I to tell other people what they can buy” (never said a thing about that), me imposing my “twisted ideology” (:rolleyes: plus I’m not imposing anything), me hating the free market (which I obviously don’t if I am against eliminating all free market health insurance), and that I should cut my nose off to spite my face by not having insurance?
You know what, if you can’t counter a position without resorting to wild flights of fantasy, it makes it look like your position is pretty shaky.
Well, since I am disabled due to chronic illness, I’d say that your assumption is totally wrong, eh? As for losing my house and savings, it is far more likely that will happen due to an increased tax burden than because of some health issue not covered by our insurance.
Why doesn’t Curlcoat recognize that the cost of health care will go down when the bill gets passed. It has been accurately reported many times and the budget office verified it? Why doesn’t CUrlcoat understand the reason we are trying to change the system is because the present one is broken and unsustainable? Does Curlcoat know that the vast majority of bankruptcies and foreclosures have health care incidents driving them?
She thinks that anyone who goes bankrupt was surely living high on the hog, wasting their money on other things. She doesn’t believe that any good person could possibly face a medical emergency that lead to bankruptcy - you see, when something bad happens to someone, it means they must have deserved it. Furthermore she refuses to accept that universal health care would save money and that American currently pay more for shitty healthcare than anyone else does for care that covers everyone. She insists that the US is a special place such that the government-run healthcare that works for every other first-world country in the world cannot possibly work for America.
In short, she’s an idiot.
It’ll be SO much better once the government takes over health care. After all, the Post Office, DMV, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are SO very successful and help every American without fail.
What on earth is wrong with people? Every aspect of our lives needs to be turned over to the government, we’re all much too stupid to have any clue how to be responsible for our own lives.
No sir, you are the idiot. You are incapable of understanding that some people can see the forest for the trees and know that there are all kinds of people in this country who should not be responsible for themselves. I realize that your growing up in the me generation, it is difficult for you to understand personal responsibility, but the US desperately needs that to become common again before we all go in the toilet. Not that it is a particularly issue for me, since I won’t be leaving anyone behind to have to deal with cleaning it up.
Wake up, open your eyes and quit believing Faux News. The average person these days rushes into adult life with no concept of how credit work, what it really costs to have children/own a home, the importance of saving and planning ahead, and any number of other things adults should do. So the government, meaning the taxpayers, bail them out and give them tax credits, so they learn to be even less responsible. And now you want to hand them free or subsidized health insurance.
Run by the same government that thinks I’m on Medicare - I could probably submit a claim and it would be paid.
You and gonzomax need to actually look into this, not just believe what you are spoonfed. If you want to compare apples to apples, look at California (you know, that place that has a large section of the US population?) and how “well” subsidized healthcare has worked here. Every time I bring that up, you all attempt to ignore it by telling me to move away, as if that will change the realities of what happens when you tax the workers to feed, house, clothe and give medical service to the idle. You all either have no clue how CA is an example of universal healthcare nationwide, or you all don’t care that there is a good probability what is happening here would happen to the whole country. Or is the current economic situation just not bad enough for you?
No, curlcoat, you are the idiot. You are *automatically *enrolled in Medicare when you’ve been getting SSDI for two years. You could submit a claim and, yes, it would be paid. You don’t even know what’s going on in your own life, much less the rest of the world.
Guess what. There are people out there who abuse the disability system, who get benefits when they are not disabled. Yes, there is fraud on the SSDI. Does that mean we should stop the program? Of course not. And you yourself said that you have endured periods of being poor in your life - so you were the irresponsible one who didn’t save and plan ahead, were you? And believe me, nobody gets more tax breaks and subsidies than the already rich. Why don’t you rail against that?
You are paying for other people’s healthcare, both insured and especially the uninsured, right now! But you absolutely DO have a choice re: insurance - you can self-insure. Yes, be all responsible for your, and only your, medical costs! But you can’t, can you, because you rely on all those other people’s premium payments to cover your costs.
Your medical costs will actually go down with universal healthcare, but you just can’t accept that because you are so afraid someone else might benefit from what’s “mine, mine, mine”!
Your complete lack of compassion for anyone else just makes me sick. And your continued attempts to justify it is unconscionable.
ETA: If you want to compare a great healthcare system, check out Hawaii’s. They actually care about their citizens. And it works.
And then there’s you, who rails about everyone else’s lack of responsibility while… having your way paid for by everyone else.
Successful enough both FedEx and UPS use the US postal service for part of their package transportation within the US.
And they screw up sometimes, but who doesn’t? Same goes for Medicare (flawed, but it has helped both of my folks tremendously), the DMV (yeah, it’s a pain, but so is standing in line anywhere), Social Security (actually the same agency as Medicare), and any other organization, school, agency, airport, etc., regardless of who’s running it.
The US Postal Service, Social Security and Medicare are all more efficient than their private sector counterparts. DMVs and Medicaid are run and administered respectively by state governments.
Of all the agencies we had to contact after my dad passed away, SS/Medicare was the most efficient and by far the easiest.
(You want to know who really sucked? Cal STRS.)
Most Medicare fraud is by companies and doctors submitting false claims. Then the companies who make durable goods, managed to pay of the politicians to keep from forcing competition. So drug companies and health insurance companies are just the biggest looters of the system. But they are not the only ones. People who bitch about the patients in Medicare raising costs are delusional if they think that is an important problem.
Since you feel so strongly about it, why not start your own insurance company specifically for the childfree? You’re clearly not so disabled that you can’t sit at a desk and decide whether other people deserve money or not. 
Presumably she is, since her pre-disability job was something along those lines, IIRC.
No, that would be you making assumptions. I sent my refusal back (which is ridiculous in itself - I have to tell them to not sign me up?), yet I just yesterday got something from them about coordination of benefits.
This is not news - I know one myself.
Shrug - depends on the amount of fraud. Just like all government run programs, SSDI and SS are messed up. I have a friend who was given her father’s SS benefits when he died when she was very young, even tho she in no way needed the money. I dunno how people get the benefits if they aren’t disabled, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it is happening. However, you are talking apples and oranges here since the tax for SS already exists, whereas the one for a UH doesn’t.
Uh, no, I was born poor.
It’s not the subject. I could rail against the waste of taxpayers money on all kinds of things, but those threads don’t exist.
You bet your ass I’m paying for the uninsured already. That’s the whole idea - I don’t want to have to pay more, to cover more of them.
What does this have to do with anything? Yes, we pay into a pool when we have group insurance but that is the whole difference - we all pay.
I can’t accept it because it is completely illogical. The money to create the government program has to come from some place, the money to cover all of the people who are not currently insured has to come from some place. Plus I’ll have to pay a premium, in addition to the new tax to cover all of this. How could this possibly be cheaper? And the thing is - what in God’s green earth makes you think that medical costs would go down just because the government is the insurer? Perhaps if you actually looked into these things instead of rushing to judge those who don’t agree with you, things might look a little different.
Rushes like this. At no point have I shown a “complete lack of compassion for anyone else”. But of course, since I don’t think like you, I must be evil, eh? :smack:
That’s nice. The one here and the one in Massachusetts don’t. And there is no more liberal state than the one that spawned our Governor Rainbow…
Oh, sure, being able to sit here at the computer for an hour or so a day, yeah that would support a business. :rolleyes:
Because you are eligible and it’s open enrollment. You’re given another chance to get the benefits to which you’re entitled. Being a former insurance professional you should be familiar with the concept of open enrollment.
That’s not fraud, you moron. Survivor benefits for a decedent’s children are meant to bridge the gap created by the loss of income from one parent. It isn’t means tested. Just like your SSDI.
Why can’t you get it through your skull that a.) unless you’re in the top 3% of earners in the country, you’re not going to pay more to begin with; and b.) when everyone is insured, you won’t have to pay for uninsured people any more at all because they won’t exist?
And that’s what’s going to happen under the currently in-reconciliation plan. People who don’t currently have insurance will have to buy it. Those who don’t will be fined. Those whose earnings fall under certain caps will receive subsidies to help offset the cost. Everyone will be paying into the pool.
The money will largely come from the uninsured themselves because we will be paying premiums. But beyond that, where the money is coming from has been explained. If you want to find out, all you have to do is Google it. You can inform yourself. You have the agency and ability to do so. You worked for umptyump years so I can only presume that you actually have the reading comprehension to understand the thousands of news articles, releases from various members of Congress and the CBO and the GAO about the costs. You don’t evidence that ability here, but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt – the one you don’t offer anyone else, mind you – that if you wanted to know, you could find out.
You just don’t want to. You want to be able to keep complaining and bitching about your supposedly oh so onerous taxes and not paying for other people and how everyone’s an irresponsible partying spendthrift profligate having babies they shouldn’t have except poor, sainted, put upon, you.
But you keep on arguing from a place of absolute and utter ignorance and you’re going to keep getting schooled and dismissed and insulted left and right because you are coming across a complete fool. The information is out there. Look for it. Read it. If you’re so damned worried, then you can alleviate all your fears if you want to.
The fact that this has been going round and round and round in threads with you, that you hijack, for months and months on end says that you don’t want to. You enjoy being the whiner repeating these same tired, trite and disproven complaints over and over again.
But you know what? It’s sickening. It doesn’t add to the debate. It doesn’t inform. All you’re doing is worsening the ratio of signal to noise. You offer nothing. You are useless in these discussions. Just stop.
Really, in what way. They have their own planes, their own package facilities and their own trucks? What part of the postal service are they using?