Organ donations in the US are coordinated through the United Network for Organ Sharing, or UNOS. It took a little digging to find their policy on international donations, but it’s right here in this PDF, specifically at 6.4.2.1 where it clearly states that such an organ will cross the border only after it is determined that there is no suitable candidate within the region in question.
Therefore, since it seems there was a US person on the waiting list in the US region where the kidney originated curlcoat’s Canadian friend wasn’t going to get it regardless of transportation or OR or doctor issues. He/she may have been on the top of the Canadian list, but not on the top of the list in the region where the kidney donation occurred. This has nothing to do with the type of health insurance held by any party involved here and everything to do with how organ donation is handled across an entire continent irrespective of payment methods. Whenever possible donated organs are used locally as the longer the time in transit the more damage occurs to the organ. Only when there is no suitable donor in a region are recipients outside of that region considered.
As there are something like ten times as many US citizens as Canadians there will be many more organ transplants in the US just due to sheer numbers. Again, that has nothing to do with the insurance/payment methods involved, it has to do with populations. The larger the potential donor pool the more likely any one person is to get a match.
Wow. So now Curlcoat manufactures a “friend” who has a rare blood type, and a mysterious non-functional O.R. or surgeon or something, who needs a kidney, and then makes up a kidney in the US that they didn’t get. (that could not have been transported to Canada anyway, since there was a suitable donor in the US). She makes up details as she goes along, and in the process, digs the hole deeper.
I’m skipping past her posts, Euphonious Polemic, so I don’t have any means of checking, but do you have any evidence that she manufactured this acquaintance?
And you think this is different in the States? You brought up this ‘friend’ in Canada to prove how shit the Canadian health care system is, in your estimation. But organ donation is a tricky thing in any country - due to increased survival rates of traffic accidents and so on, there are less healthy donors, and therefore less organs to go around. Also, mortality while waiting for organs is high, and end-stage renal disease is particularly serious.
In the US, 46% of patients die waiting for a kidney. The average wait time is 3 years, and there are about 80,000 people waiting for kidneys. Serious waits are a reality the world over.
Also, there is no ‘top of the list’ - a person is only considered if they match all the criteria (blood type, patient size, geographic area, etc.). It’s not like there is some big list you move up.
I’m starting to think you don’t understand what the word ‘deflect’ means.
You shouldn’t have to ‘contact the insurance comissioner’, you shouldn’t get screwed in the first place. The fact that there are ways to get unscrewed, ways that can take months or longer at a time when you are often highly vulnerable, does not mitigate the fact that you got screwed in the first place.
The poster in question said she was in school. You yourself said a government sponsored education was okay because it lead to productive work in the future. So, she is making use of the existing government programs, which she is perfectly qualified to use, in order to ensure her children stay healthy so that she can acquire an education.
What is your definition of non-temporary? Please provide a good cite which shows that most people getting government assistance will get it for the rest of their lives, because that seems to be your arguement.
Yeah, I’m out again. I’m standing by my earlier comment not just a troll, but a fucking sociopath. Because only a sociopath could be so completely inured to any sort of connection with other people and utterly incapable of occasionally tempering their own bullshit in consideration of social mores.
Nope, just a gut feeling that she’s making shit up as she goes along, to try to provide “evidence”
I mean, suddenly the “friend” now has a rare blood type? And there was “some reason” they could not get a kidney? And they were at the “top” of a list (when there is no “top” of any list). And they had access to a kidney in the USA (when this is not even possible)
No he quit because they don’t pay surgeons enough in Toronto. He’s is now happily working at MacDonald’s where his pay isn’t capped by the evil government.
I have no idea - all I was told was that there was this kidney available in his blood type, but he wasn’t able to accept it due to not being able to get a surgeon or OR.
Huh. There was a US person on the waiting list in the area that the kidney originated that had my friends blood type? You know this how? I’m thinking since he was offered this kidney, there wasn’t someone in the area that would match it but then what do I know?
No, of course not, they just like to make shit up, such as Broomstick stating with conviction that there was someone in the area that the kidney came from that matched it, even tho she has zero idea where the kidney came from. Or when it was. Or what the blood type was.
What does any of that have to do with not being able to take an offered kidney because you can’t get a doctor to put it in you?
OK, fine, be picky with my shorthand. My friend is “at the top of the list” of those with his blood type, age, area and however it is they term the need, since he’s been on dialysis for quite some time. That better?
The kidney was in the States. Someone in the States got the kidney in the end. So there must have been someone on the list and nearby enough that the kidney could be gotten to them within a short timeframe. Ergo, that is how we know that there was a US person on the waiting list for a kidney. Unless you think that they just pulled some mope in off the street and forcibly transplanted a kidney into them.
Seriously, I know you’re not really reading what the rest of us are writing, but can you at least try to remember what you wrote. It was even on this page!
In any case, Broomstick has pretty conclusively shown that a Canadian wouldn’t get an American kidney under these circumstances, so I’m pretty sure you’re making all this up. At the very least your ‘friend’ is lying to you or misunderstanding the situation.
Curlcoat is stuck in a solipsistic loop in which she is the only inhabitant of her own closed universe where nothing anyone else says matters. She just keeps repeating her delusion to herself over and over again, reinforcing it with each iteration.
Call the men in the white coats! And bring napkin sandwiches to lure her out!
From dictionary.com - “to bend or turn aside; turn from a true course or straight line; swerve.” As in, trying to turn the discussion aside from a direction you are uncomfortable with or cannot come up with an answer for.
No one should have to be poor, gas prices shouldn’t be any where near where they are and Big Business should quit polluting our air. Gonna point out that those aren’t fair too? Do you want (this fictional) completely fair and well run government to do everything for you?
Boy, you really can’t stay on point can you? Whether or not she decided to get an education after having had two children that she couldn’t afford to raise is not the issue. If she had any shred of responsibility she’d have made sure she could keep her children healthy before she had them, instead of just selfishly doing whatever she wanted to, when she wanted to.
Huh, something else I haven’t said.
Simply because I point out that there are options other than having children you cannot afford doesn’t make me a sociopath. Nor will I even pay attention to any attempt at emotional blackmail. I certainly won’t miss your tantrums on the subject. Your hypersensitivity on the subject of children is no more valid than my lack of interest in them.
You missed or conveniently ignore the statement from Broomstick that there was someone “in the US region where the kidney originated”, which apparently wasn’t true since it was offered to Toronto. I don’t know where it actually ended up, but I doubt there is a tight range it could have gone to, what with airplanes and all of that being available.
Yeah? When did she do that?
Funny how my “delusions” are shared by so many people. Of course, I suppose since you all continue to repeat things that aren’t even true, I guess you might be more familiar with delusions than I am.
Wanting for people not to get screwed by big business is not the same as wanting things to be fair for everyone. Life isn’t fair - I know that, everyone knows that. That’s not an excuse for pushing the little guy down and trampling all over them. And in this case, the little guy is anyone who is not the insuance company.
You keep accusing us of wanting everything to be ‘fair’, when I don’t remember any of us using that word. Equal access to things like health care and education are not going to make life ‘fair’ for everyone, but they do allow people with intelligence and drive to reach their potential. America is always touted as a place where anyone can be great, provided they work hard, but it’s pretty clear that a small minority have way more chances at that greatness, and people like you want to keep it that way.
After all, do you think it’s ‘fair’ that you ended up with your cushy upper class existence, when clearly you have done nothing to deserve it? You just wandered into the situation and now you’ll be damned if anyone else gets to join you.
Do you see how that does not jive with what you said? For your scenario to be true, they would have had to find no matches on the US list, offered it to Canada, had the kidney denied in Canada, and then surprise!, found someone on the US list after all. This is totally inconsistent with their stated policies.
You should have said the kidney just went to waste, that would have made the story much more believable. Work on your lying skills.
Okay, you got me there. :rolleyes: But for me to be really satisfied you have to tell us how we ‘don’t know what poverty really is’ if we haven’t personally eaten napkin sandwiches. And tell us if you actually ate the napkin or not.
Here are a few ridiculous cases of insurance companies denying coverage.
CURLCOAT, you do understand that UHC will make insurance cheaper don’t you. The reason we are trying to change health care is because it costs too damn much while delivering too damn little. You talk like the health care bill will cost you personally ,a lot of money. But, it actually is designed to cut costs. Our present system is unsustainable because of cost and delivery problems . It just keeps going up, up, up in cost. You are able to recognize that fact, can’t you?