Health Insurance

::Hoping no one from any other countries heinously concern troll over this::

Fine, ignore what wolfpup said.

Share your thoughts on UHC with us, D’anconia?

That’s pretty darned impressively put. :slight_smile:

I am seriously heart broken when posters detail the trials they face at their darkest times, facing egregious layers of red tape, and having to fight for their benefits. In a system designed to opaque truly shocking fees, etc.

While a spouse lies dying, a child stricken, an auto accident.

At the cost of a retirement or college savings account. ( If they’re lucky! )

It truly upsets me each time I read of it.

Thank you, though the opening “We” is clearly a typo for “Well”.

Truth be told, the more I hear about “freedom” being an American ideal, the greater the sense I get that it really means “fuck everyone else”, and the Americans who profit most greatly from this attitude have a powerful motivation to try to get every American to feel the same way, hence taxation isn’t the annoying but necessary price one pays to get to live in a free country - it’s theft! Theft! Those bastards are robbing you!

I agree. For example, davidm has an ongoing thread in MPSIMS about recovering from a medical maladaventure which had him in a coma for some weeks, and while recovering, is facing a pile of bills coming in.

I feel so saddened that someone I know over the interwebs, who should be focussed solely on getting well, is having to try to figure out how to pay medical bills while he doesn’t have any income coming in.

Thank you.

America is the home of the stupid, bigoted and self destructive.

Our politics reflects this fact.

Too many people are getting wealthy off the current system to change it for the general good of everyone. Isn’t that the problem in a nutshell?

Yes. Even in deep blue states they won’t reform the health care system because the rich and powerful like it too much.

We can talk about conservatives and republicans blocking progress. That is an issue. But even deep blue states like Vermont, California & Hawaii refuse to implement meaningful health reform.

But it’s not just the ‘wealthy’ who support the US medical system status quo. From my reading and understanding, there are plenty of poorer folk who are happy to forego decent medical care and coverage because SOCIALISM or something. Bryan says it best below:

There’s another problem: Something like three quarters of Americans say they’re happy with their insurance. This isn’t necessarily an informed opinion (most people are relatively healthy, and most people have employer-sponsored insurance where much of the price tag is hidden) but it’s still a real one.

And 70% of Colorado which is a lot of Dems.

And a lot of Democrats. The premise of the OP is interesting because Universal Healthcare has rarely been supported by the majority “liberal” party other than schemes that are mostly based on corporate interests not efficient and universal care. Even now, Democrats who support something akin to what is mentioned in the OP are considered far left radical socialists by the DEMOCRAT establishment.

You might want to read the OP again.

:slight_smile:

People in Canadia are likely concerned after seeing how expensive it would be to build a wall.

He has? Where?

Some humans actually feel compassion for other humans, even ones they’ve never met in other countries! I know this is probably an alien concept to you, but some of us actually care about others.

You have to remember that this is D’Anconia we’re talking about here. It wasn’t a real question. He doesn’t have either the knowledge or the intellectual capacity to address the subject matter, so he’s just trolling for an answer that he can exploit with some puerile gotcha that his tiny brain has thought up. I’m happy to try to oblige.

Hey, D’Anconia, maybe it’s just that we – Australians, Brits, Canadians, French, Germans – all of us, really, in the civilized world – like looking at your American health insurance system and pointing and laughing. Does that answer sit better with you? Good, go with that one, then.

Maybe that’s why we’re looking at you, D’Anconia, and your fucked-up health care system, the one that you and your kind would like to make even worse if you possibly could. Maybe you’d like to shut down Medicare and Medicaid, get rid of all that danged socialism and danged gubbermint and let people learn “personal responsibility” or die, whatever. Maybe that’s why we’re looking at you, you stupid fuck, and pointing and laughing.

Thanks. I’m an asshole sometimes.

The American system is premised upon the understanding that if the consumer is not charged a large sum of money and/or required to get permission from an insurance-company death panel, the resulting moral-hazard incentives will drive everybody to start stubbing their toes and contracting leukemia.

Everyone’s an asshole sometimes. :cool:

Personally, although I live in a country with UHC these days the vast majority of my family live in the US and I am *concerned *for their physical and financial well-being. I also find it reasonable to be *concerned *about a system where everyone pays twice as much as needed for considerably less coverage than they could have, resulting in tens of thousands of people each year either going bankrupt from medical bills or suffering long-term effects of illness or injury - or dying - due to a system designed first and foremost for the benefit of insurance company executives and shareholders.

I suppose if one isn’t concerned about the pain and suffering of strangers, one might find others’ concern difficult to grasp.