# Heather Bresch, kindly go fuck yourself with an epi-pen **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887 "2016-08-25T07:44:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/61 "2016-08-26T02:00:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I was asking for a friend. OK. I guess I’m just slow on the uptake. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/62 "2016-08-26T02:01:48Z")
At the recent hearing, Heather said her profit was only $247 on the full price pen, so other folks in the supply chain are also taking profits. She didn’t point out that that profit is 2.5 times the old total price, presumably everyone used to make a profit even then. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/63 "2016-08-26T10:48:17Z")
You know, every time I read a thread like I want to take the NHS out for a nice dinner and a movie or something, let it know how much I appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/64 "2016-08-26T11:00:55Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve been an EMT for over 8 years. Every ambulance service that I have worked for has carried the Epi-pen. Some paramedics may carry a specific dose of epi and a manual syringe, but it’s not normal in my area. Huh, color me surprised. Is the reason just ease/speed of use? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/65 "2016-08-26T12:02:22Z")
> **[Column: Drug companies spend millions to keep charging high prices](https://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-drug-prices-20160826-snap-story.html)** > > Pharmaceutical heavyweight Mylan, the latest poster child for drug-industry greed, finally stuck up for itself Thursday. **Drug companies spend millions to keep charging high prices** Caveat: this is an opinion piece, and is so marked. Be that as it may, if the general gist of this is true, you will be seething with rage before you finish. If you are not, you might be advised to check with your medical professional to establish that you are, for a certainty, human. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/66 "2016-08-26T12:17:28Z")
> [@etownster](#): > > There is misinformation about the price of Adrenaclick and generic in a link provided in this thread. The link [http://vitals.lifehacker.com/adrenac...pen-1785655358](http://vitals.lifehacker.com/adrenac...pen-1785655358) says it is available for $142 with a GoodRX coupon. WRONG. In my area it varies from $500 Brand to $380 generic for 2 adult syringes WITH A COUPON! Have to wonder it the poster is a troll for Adrenaclick. Actually, given how wrong everything is in this post, I wonder of **etownster** isn’t a troll for Epipen. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/67 "2016-08-26T12:19:16Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > Off-topic, I have idly considered jabbing myself experimentally with one of my son’s expired pens, both to see what the injection process feels like and to see what the drug itself does, so that I have some idea what I’m doing to him if I ever have to use one for real. Everyone seems to say it’s a bad idea, though… I have never been injected with an EpiPen, but I have worked with pure epinephrine on an open benchtop. It doesn’t take much to feel an effect. This was probably micrograms of material in my case and I think the current dosage out of an EpiPen is something like 0.3 mg. It will be a large adrenaline surge, but there’s no way that it will feel the same way for a healthy person as it will for someone in anaphylaxis. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/68 "2016-08-26T12:54:30Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Huh, color me surprised. > > Is the reason just ease/speed of use? It’s because Mylan has spent a shit ton of money lobbying and sending reps to schools and local governments to convince them they need to use EpiPens, specifically EpiPens. They give em a few free, and then sell them more when those run out or expire. Epi in a vial has only a 3 month life span, so I’ve always believed the 1 year exp date on an EpiPen. But now that it’s becoming clear what raging unethical assholes are running Mylan, I wouldn’t be shocked if that was fake. Anyone had any luck actually finding a pharmacy that stocks Adrenaclick? Not goodrx says they do, but actually talked to a pharmacist who has it? I haven’t found one yet. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/69 "2016-08-26T13:11:12Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I have never been injected with an EpiPen, but I have worked with pure epinephrine on an open benchtop. It doesn’t take much to feel an effect. This was probably micrograms of material in my case and I think the current dosage out of an EpiPen is something like 0.3 mg. It will be a large adrenaline surge, but there’s no way that it will feel the same way for a healthy person as it will for someone in anaphylaxis. A friend was doing WFR (Wilderness First Responder) training and got stuck when someone grabbed a real Epi-Pen instead of the trainer pen. She said the rush was quite intense but not overwhelming. They sent her to the hospital to be checked out just in case but no lasting effects. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/70 "2016-08-26T13:27:28Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Epi in a vial has only a 3 month life span, so I’ve always believed the 1 year exp date on an EpiPen. But now that it’s becoming clear what raging unethical assholes are running Mylan, I wouldn’t be shocked if that was fake. Based on current and previous experience in Pharma, I wouldn’t be surprised if neither had truly been tested. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/71 "2016-08-26T13:28:41Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > It’s because Mylan has spent a shit ton of money lobbying and sending reps to schools and local governments to convince them they need to use EpiPens, specifically EpiPens. They give em a few free, and then sell them more when those run out or expire. > > Epi in a vial has only a 3 month life span, so I’ve always believed the 1 year exp date on an EpiPen. But now that it’s becoming clear what raging unethical assholes are running Mylan, I wouldn’t be shocked if that was fake. > > Anyone had any luck actually finding a pharmacy that stocks Adrenaclick? Not goodrx says they do, but actually talked to a pharmacist who has it? I haven’t found one yet. Personally, I’d go [this route](http://www.buyemp.com/product/epinephrine-ampule). Five bucks, plus cost of a disposable syringe. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/72 "2016-08-26T13:44:47Z")
Not very practical for children or active people in general, though. One of the advantages of the autoinjectors is that they’re much easier and safer to carry. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/73 "2016-08-26T13:45:28Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Personally, I’d go [this route](http://www.buyemp.com/product/epinephrine-ampule). > > Five bucks, plus cost of a disposable syringe. As I asked in the GQ thread, are you confident in your ability to load a syringe & inject yourself while undergoing anaphylaxis? Posters in that thread who have had that experience said they are not. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/74 "2016-08-26T13:50:36Z")
Re. my remark in post 70: I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual shelf life was longer but, once it was proven that it was ok at X time, the makers didn’t test longer periods. Sometimes this kind of behavior from industries making semi-perishables (pharma, food) is CYA, sometimes it’s limited by legal restrictions. And hey, if people need to purchase it every 3 months it’s 4x as much sales as if they only need to purchase yearly; 8x as much as if it was every two years. They can always fall back on saying that “we cannot risk having so much as a single (vial/syringe) be off-spec when the patient is going to use it!” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/75 "2016-08-26T14:09:09Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > As I asked in the GQ thread, are you confident in your ability to load a syringe & inject yourself while undergoing anaphylaxis? Posters in that thread who have had that experience said they are not. As another person who has experienced anaphylaxis, no way I could draw from a vial and inject myself with a syringe. Unless I catch it before it gets serious, I assume my wife or someone else with me will be using the Epi-Pen. People that I hike with a lot I’ve let them use the trainer pen so they won’t be using it the first time on me in an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/76 "2016-08-26T14:45:18Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > As I asked in the GQ thread, are you confident in your ability to load a syringe & inject yourself while undergoing anaphylaxis? Posters in that thread who have had that experience said they are not. I’ve never experienced anaphylaxis, but I’ve read about people who preload syringes and store them in a light-tight container. I take several anti-hypertensive medications, and I’m a bit of a cheapskate. For less than my copay for a month’s supply of 50 mg Losartan, I can buy a bottle of 100 mg Losartan, break them approximately in half, and have a six month supply. So, yeah. If I needed epinephrine I’d find a work-around. Acceptable (to me) risk. ETA: [cite](http://allergynotes.blogspot.com/2012/09/epinephrine-autoinjectors-are-expensive.html) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/77 "2016-08-26T14:53:11Z")
What, if anything, does it say about Joe Manchin as a person, as a father, if his daughter turned out to be such a fucking cunt? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/78 "2016-08-26T17:18:01Z")
Under Mylan’s Patient Assistance plan, a family of four earning up to $97,200 now has no out of pocket expense for the Epipen. Shouldn’t that cover most families? [http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/08/25/0825-epipen-assistance-boosted-but-price-not-lowered.html](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/08/25/0825-epipen-assistance-boosted-but-price-not-lowered.html) ---
**Author:** ![aliensshow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@aliensshow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliensshow)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/79 "2016-08-26T17:24:24Z")
And to follow-up my brilliant point about this attack on a female CEO being incredibly sexist, try to imagine a Republican attacking a woman and saying she should fuck herself with something phallic, and the gallons of rage-filled tears that would flow from every media outlet and liberal from here to Pluto. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887/80 "2016-08-26T18:45:16Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Under Mylan’s Patient Assistance plan, a family of four earning up to $97,200 now has no out of pocket expense for the Epipen. Shouldn’t that cover most families? > > [http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/08/25/0825-epipen-assistance-boosted-but-price-not-lowered.html](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/08/25/0825-epipen-assistance-boosted-but-price-not-lowered.html) Only if they don’t have insurance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heather-bresch-kindly-go-fuck-yourself-with-an-epi-pen/763887.md?page=5)