# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2601 "2019-09-17T16:19:43Z")
This article notes that the main reason black voters are sticking with Biden is largely just because they perceive him as the one who stands the best chance of defeating Trump. If that perception ever went away, and someone like Bernie or Warren became perceived as more effective against Trump than Joe, then black voters could suddenly desert Biden en masse. The article notes that in the span of just three short months in 2007-2008, Barack Obama went from trailing Hillary Clinton by over 20 percentage points in the black vote to suddenly leading Hillary by over 20 percentage points in the black vote, so such a mass defection has historical precedent. > **[2020 Vision Monday: How Biden could lose the black vote — and the Democratic...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/2020-vision-monday-how-biden-could-lose-the-black-vote-and-the-democratic-nomination-152556239.html)** > > Perhaps Joe Biden’s biggest advantage in the Democratic primary contest ­is his unsurpassed support from black voters. So what if that support fades? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2602 "2019-09-17T17:53:15Z")
Several California polls out today. When you can’t break into the top three in your home state, behind even Yang in one poll, maybe, just maybe, it is time to think about giving it up Sen. Harris. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2603 "2019-09-17T18:27:45Z")
What does the home-state condition even mean? How did Trump poll in New York, for instance? It’s only time to drop out if you’re hurting the party and its eventual candidate by staying in. That means Yang and Williamson, but it does not mean Harris. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2604 "2019-09-17T19:04:21Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Several California polls out today. When you can’t break into the top three in your home state, behind even Yang in one poll, maybe, just maybe, it is time to think about giving it up Sen. Harris. Yikes. It’s not even that she can’t break into the top three, she was leading some Cali polls within the last few months, so the momentum is steeply downward for her right now. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2605 "2019-09-17T19:08:26Z")
Trump won the NY GOP primary by a 34 point margin. And was not an elected representative of that state. If you can’t lead in your home state primary polling you have little chance elsewhere. As a general rule. Find me a candidate who lost the primary in their home state who went on to win the nomination. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2606 "2019-09-17T19:10:45Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > behind even Yang in one poll [Statistical nitpick] One point difference, five point MOE. Coulda said ‘essentially tied with Yang’, same message but accurate. [/statistical nitpick] ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2607 "2019-09-17T21:02:12Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Several California polls out today. When you can’t break into the top three in your home state, behind even Yang in one poll, maybe, just maybe, it is time to think about giving it up Sen. Harris. Whoa. :eek: I mean, as far as Beto dropped nationally at certain points in the race (good to see he is having a bit of a resurgence right now), I don’t think there was ever any indication that he didn’t continue to be very popular among Texas Democrats. I am really shocked by this. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2608 "2019-09-20T11:35:26Z")
De Blasio is out, announced on Morning Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2609 "2019-09-20T12:13:49Z")
You don’t say?!?! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2610 "2019-09-20T12:17:53Z")
Lol, he was never really in, so point taken. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2611 "2019-09-20T15:58:05Z")
Oopsie. I bet Faux wishes that they kept this one to themselves: “The latest Fox News poll about the 2020 election shows President Donald Trump losing to every Democratic frontrunner including Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The [survey](https://www.scribd.com/document/426454752/Fox-News-Poll-September-15-17-2019#from_embed), which was conducted from September 15 to September 17, found that Biden had a double-digit lead on Trump. The former vice president had 52 percent support among voters, while Trump garnered just 38 percent support. These results were similar to a Fox poll conducted in early August, which showed Biden with 50 percent support compared to Trump’s 38 percent. Sanders was the second most favored Democrat when put in a head-to-head matchup against Trump. The poll showed the Vermont lawmaker up by eight percentage points, with 48 percent support among voters compared to Trump’s 40 percent. Rounding out the top three candidates was Warren, who has [continued to rise](https://www.newsweek.com/elizabeth-warren-vs-joe-biden-2020-polls-1458529) in the polls during the Democratic primary to gain ground on Biden and Sanders. The Fox survey found Warren ahead of Trump by six percentage points, with 46 percent of voters backing her White House bid. The poll also showed Harris ahead of Trump with 42 percent support to his 40 percent. But the California senator fell within the survey’s margin of error, which was three percentage points.” > **[Fox News Poll Shows Trump Losing to Every Democratic Frontrunner](https://www.newsweek.com/fox-poll-shows-trump-losing-democratic-frontrunners-2020-1460173)** > > The survey showed former Vice President Joe Biden with the biggest lead over Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2612 "2019-09-20T22:00:34Z")
Getting my bragging rights in order: Biden will resign because of this Ukraine issue. Maybe this weekend, maybe in December, hell, maybe as President. But the Republicans will make it _his emails_. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2613 "2019-09-20T22:04:15Z")
But His Offspring! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2614 "2019-09-20T22:04:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Getting my bragging rights in order: > > Biden will resign because of this Ukraine issue. Maybe this weekend, maybe in December, hell, maybe as President. But the Republicans will make it _his emails_. I’ll bookmark this for the much less popular shaming rites. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2615 "2019-09-20T22:06:55Z")
Lol, can’t wait. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2616 "2019-09-20T22:16:13Z")
The NY Times is on the case! > > [@](#): > > Here’s @kenvogel of the New York Times saying on MSNBC that he views Joe Biden son’s work in Ukraine as “a significant liability for Joe Biden.” > > “There is a story here,” Vogel adds, saying “we’re going to continue to, sort of, pull that back.” (I’m sure Trump is very grateful!) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2617 "2019-09-21T00:07:27Z")
If the man who served as vice president and is currently running for president was not personally involved, I don’t see how it’s a scandal for him. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2618 "2019-09-21T00:11:30Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > If the man who served as vice president and is currently running for president was not personally involved, I don’t see how it’s a scandal for him. AIUI, they are hoping to be able to make people think he pulled strings to further his son’s interests in Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2619 "2019-09-21T00:13:57Z")
If he did that, then he should be in hot water. If he didn’t, you can’t punish the father for the sins of the son. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2620 "2019-09-21T00:21:38Z")
I think the Republicans might just try to punish him, regardless. Call it a hunch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=132)