# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 148
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2941 "2019-12-22T21:05:37Z")
I don’t agree with you much but yeah. Tapping into the anger is easier but less broadly appealing. You won’t get much acceptance of that idea from the Warren or Sanders online contingent because their loudest supporters are the ones who like having their anger stoked. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2942 "2019-12-23T16:05:24Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > Well, if Democrats want to campaign on class warfare and resentment, that’s their prerogative. I think it’s a losing strategy, but whatever. I’m pretty sure the number of people who would look at a picture of the wine cave and think “ooooh, I wish I could have that” is much, much larger than those who see it and think “GRRRRR, those spoiled rich bastards, grab the pitchforks! Storm the palace!” More people aspire to the moneyed class than resent it. This is a country that spends unbelievable amounts of time watching shows that consist of nothing more than rich people living lives of conspicuous consumption - and yes, that includes all the home-renovation shows and shit, not just the Kardashians. Trump tapped into both. There does seem to be a big rise in populism going on these days. However, I do think that things like ‘wine caves’ seem more elitist than “I wish I could have that”. Trump’s kind of crass wealth (gold everywhere) seems to be far more resonant in the “I wish I could have that” crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2943 "2019-12-24T02:14:03Z")
Morning Consult poll released today: Biden 31% Sanders 21% Warren 15% Buttigieg 9% Bloomberg 6% Yang 5% Booker 3% Klobuchar 3% Steyer 3% Gabbard 2% RCP Aggregate Tracker Biden 27.8% Sanders 19.3% Warren 15.2% Buttigieg 8.3% Bloomberg 5.0% [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020\_democratic\_presidential\_nomination-6730.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html) Exactly a month since Bloomberg entered the race so all those ads have done him well. He’s not even contesting the early states yet there are folks like who have been in Iowa all year who have never hit 5%. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2944 "2019-12-24T16:25:47Z")
Obama talks up Warren behind closed doors to wealthy donors: [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors/ar-BBYgwLF?li=BBnb7Kz) ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2945 "2019-12-24T16:42:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Obama talks up Warren behind closed doors to wealthy donors: [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors/ar-BBYgwLF?li=BBnb7Kz) That won’t go over well with Biden ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2946 "2019-12-24T17:03:42Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Have a feeling Biden is going to crash and burn at some point, maybe a health issue or just a big gaffe. If it happens it would be bad if it’s after he is the nominee. At that point I guess they would have to figure out who is plan B. This is my worry also. (The “Fat, you’re a liar” was horrid.) If it happens before the convention, presumably the 2nd-place vote-getter (Buttigieg? Warren?) would get the nod. If it happens after the convention, Biden’s V.P. pick (Klobuchar??) might get the nod. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2947 "2019-12-24T17:12:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Obama talks up Warren behind closed doors to wealthy donors: [MSN](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors/ar-BBYgwLF?li=BBnb7Kz) Love it. Title of the article “Obama talks up Warren”, title of the lead video “Obama reportedly defended Warren to donors that doubt her”. So the actual story is that Obama is trying to keep donors in line if she ends up the candidate. Nice click bait bullshit, Elendil. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2948 "2019-12-24T18:30:04Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > That won’t go over well with Biden Worse, I think he’d be backing a losing horse with Warren. I can’t understand those who thought Buttigieg had such a bad debate performance. Klobuchar did manage to get in a few good jabs to the face, but I thought Buttigieg gave it right back to Warren when she went off on her wine cave tangent. And the reports coming out today about Warren’s own fundraising activity really makes her attacks on Buttigieg’s fundraising look like the stuff of a jealous, high-dudgeon hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2949 "2019-12-24T18:36:25Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > This is my worry also. (The “Fat, you’re a liar” was horrid.) If it happens before the convention, presumably the 2nd-place vote-getter (Buttigieg? Warren?) would get the nod. If it happens after the convention, Biden’s V.P. pick (Klobuchar??) might get the nod. I think the way to look at this race is that it’s Trump’s to lose: if the economy continues to chug along and if Trump hasn’t gotten us into some sort of disastrous war, he will hold serve, and I don’t think there’s anyone out there who can beat him. The Democrats are grooming some good presidential talent for 2024, but in 2020, they’re stuck between ‘has beens’ and wannabes. What Democrats need is someone who can win if the economy (or Trump himself) begins to falter in the second half of 2020. Biden is that guy, IMO. He’s not the ideal candidate, but the best of what’s out there. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2950 "2019-12-24T19:45:24Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > That won’t go over well with Biden It would if you read the article instead of the deceptive title. \*"But behind the scenes in recent months, former President Obama has gone to bat for Warren (D-Mass.) when speaking to donors reluctant to support her given her knocks on Wall Street and the wealthy…And if Warren becomes the nominee, Obama has said they must throw the entirety of their support behind her. The former president has stopped short of an endorsement of Warren in these conversations and has emphasized that he is not endorsing in the Democratic primary race. But he also has vouched for her credentials, making it clear in these private sessions that he deems her a capable candidate and potential president, sources say."\* In other words, we need to beat trump and Warren is one of several candidates who I think can do it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2951 "2019-12-24T21:24:22Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Love it. Title of the article “Obama talks up Warren”, title of the lead video “Obama reportedly defended Warren to donors that doubt her”. So the actual story is that Obama is trying to keep donors in line if she ends up the candidate. Nice click bait bullshit, Elendil. Whoa, dial it back. I copied the headline and provided the link, both unaltered. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2952 "2019-12-24T21:27:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Whoa, dial it back. I copied the headline and provided the link, both unaltered. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2953 "2019-12-27T14:09:33Z")
Bloomberg and Steyer have already spent over $200 mil on TV ads Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg have spent a combined total of $211.7 million on TV advertising" through 12/24/2019, @DavidWright\_CNN reports. Steyer is at $109,599,094, Bloomberg is at $102,060,980. Source: Kantar/CMAG ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2954 "2019-12-28T01:40:07Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Bloomberg and Steyer have already spent over $200 mil on TV ads > > Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg have spent a combined total of $211.7 million on TV advertising" through 12/24/2019, @DavidWright\_CNN reports. Steyer is at $109,599,094, Bloomberg is at $102,060,980. Source: Kantar/CMAG If they wanted a shot at the Dem nom, they shoudl have announced earlier and gotten in on the early debates. They didnt, so too bad, so sad, maybe 2024. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2955 "2019-12-28T03:21:19Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Bloomberg and Steyer have already spent over $200 mil on TV ads > > Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg have spent a combined total of $211.7 million on TV advertising" through 12/24/2019, @DavidWright\_CNN reports. Steyer is at $109,599,094, Bloomberg is at $102,060,980. Source: Kantar/CMAG And depending on which set of polls you read, they are jointly pulling 5%-9%. Of course, as Charles Foster Kane notably predicted, “If I keep losing money at this rate, I’ll go broke in one hundred years.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2956 "2019-12-30T17:19:39Z")
So in two months, we’ll have the first four done. The one realistic Biden slayer, Warren is looking to come in 4th in the first couple, Iowa and NH. Distant second in Nevada and SC. If the polling holds. Super Tuesday follows pretty quickly, so I guess we can expect her to hold on til then, but the big prize of California is currently looking like a wash for the top three. Does she have any kind of a path left? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2957 "2019-12-30T17:42:23Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So in two months, we’ll have the first four done. The one realistic Biden slayer, Warren is looking to come in 4th in the first couple, Iowa and NH. Distant second in Nevada and SC. If the polling holds. Super Tuesday follows pretty quickly, so I guess we can expect her to hold on til then, but the big prize of California is currently looking like a wash for the top three. Does she have any kind of a path left? The top 4 in the early states, per polling, are enough of a jumble that it wouldn’t be terribly surprising if any of them win. So Warren’s path is still to win either NH or IA and become the frontrunner or co-frontrunner. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2958 "2019-12-30T22:10:50Z")
Biden would consider a GOP member as his running mate. Maybe he thinks McCain is still alive > **[Joe Biden says he would consider a Republican for his running mate | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/politics/joe-biden-running-mate-republican/index.html)** > > Joe Biden told voters in New Hampshire on Monday that he would consider choosing a Republican as a running mate, but added, "I can't think of one right now." ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2959 "2019-12-30T22:29:06Z")
_I would consider it but can’t think of any_ just sounds like a polite way of placating the woman who asked the question. I’m guessing since it’s New Hampshire that she’s a Never-Trumper republican. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/2960 "2019-12-31T00:39:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The top 4 in the early states, per polling, are enough of a jumble that it wouldn’t be terribly surprising if any of them win. So Warren’s path is still to win either NH or IA and become the frontrunner or co-frontrunner. Something of a jumble but her Real Clear running average puts her 6 points back and 4th place in both those states. Obviously things can change there but time is ticking now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=147) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=149)