# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3101 "2020-01-14T22:59:10Z")
Anyone know if I can I get the debate through YouTube or the CNN app? I ditched cable. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3102 "2020-01-14T23:02:04Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > Looks pretty clear that if Warren gets the nomination then Castro will be her running mate. He’s campaigning with her already. Opponents are not often running mates. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3103 "2020-01-14T23:03:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Opponents are not often running mates. Obama picked an opponent, and so did Kerry. ISTM that it’s pretty frequent. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3104 "2020-01-14T23:17:17Z")
So did Reagan. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3105 "2020-01-14T23:40:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Obama picked an opponent, and so did Kerry. ISTM that it’s pretty frequent. Biden dropped out so fast that he was hardly a opponent. I dont think he even debated Obama, but I could be wrong. Joe withdrew right after the first caucus. But yeah Kerry did. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3106 "2020-01-14T23:49:13Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > Anyone know if I can I get the debate through YouTube or the CNN app? > > I ditched cable. Per CNN’s website: The debate will air exclusively on CNN, CNN en Español, CNN International and CNN Airport Network and will stream live in its entirety, without requiring log-in to a cable provider, exclusively to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com)’s homepage, across mobile devices via CNN’s apps for iOS and Android, and via CNNgo apps for Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire, Chromecast and Android TV. The debate will also air live at [DesMoinesRegister.com](http://DesMoinesRegister.com) and [Democrats.org](http://Democrats.org), and can be heard on CNN’s SiriusXM XChannels and the Westwood One Radio Network. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3107 "2020-01-15T01:04:01Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Per CNN’s website: > > The debate will air exclusively on CNN, CNN en Español, CNN International and CNN Airport Network and will stream live in its entirety, without requiring log-in to a cable provider, exclusively to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com)’s homepage, across mobile devices via CNN’s apps for iOS and Android, and via CNNgo apps for Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire, Chromecast and Android TV. The debate will also air live at [DesMoinesRegister.com](http://DesMoinesRegister.com) and [Democrats.org](http://Democrats.org), and can be heard on CNN’s SiriusXM XChannels and the Westwood One Radio Network. Thank you ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3108 "2020-01-15T01:28:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Oh, please. Biden is supposedly the enemy of the financially-struggling----that’s “who he is”----but he couldn’t think of a _single_ thing to do, in eight years, that would stick it to them? No, he’s the friend of the banks and the credit card companies. He merely doesn’t give a shit about the people on the other end. Were the credit card companies spending the Obama years pressuring lawmakers for even more onerous provisions to be put into the law? Not to my knowledge. “Who he is” is the guy who’s sticking up for the credit card companies, taking their side against the rest of us. But if they feel they’ve already won the war, then that’s where he is too. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3109 "2020-01-15T15:15:13Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > It appears the Sanders campaign is going full tilt. His surrogates are blasting Biden and Warren together now. The debate will be fun! I got it wrong. The debate was boring. Doesn’t change the dynamics before Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3110 "2020-01-15T15:26:46Z")
Warren refused to shake [Bernies hand](https://apnews.com/ec4da97dd1619a43474fab2c819a22a6). [CNN is being criticized for favoring Warren and the others and putting down Sanders](https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-under-fire-overtly-hostile-treatment-sanders-iowa-debate). ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3111 "2020-01-16T01:33:06Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Warren refused to shake [Bernies hand](https://apnews.com/ec4da97dd1619a43474fab2c819a22a6). > [CNN is being criticized for favoring Warren and the others and putting down Sanders](https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-under-fire-overtly-hostile-treatment-sanders-iowa-debate). Audio picked up from the mics > [@](#): > > Warren:“I think you called me a liar on national TV,” > Sanders: “What?” > Warren: “I think you called me a liar on national TV,” > Sanders: “You know, let’s not do it right now. If you want to have that discussion, we’ll have that discussion,” > Warren: Anytime." > Sanders: “You called me a liar. You told me – all right, let’s not do it now.” [https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3112 "2020-01-16T03:38:11Z")
I have mixed feeling about Bloomberg but so think he’s going to be, as they say, a game changer. First, he’s REALLY rich, almost 20 times richer than Trump claims to be and over 30 times richer than Steyer. And he seems really determined to defeat Trump at any cost. That is a very good thing. Vanity Fair did a short piece call “Inside Mike Bloomberg’s Plan to Drive Trump Insane”. > **[Inside Mike Bloomberg’s Plan to Drive Trump Insane](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/mike-bloomberg-vs-donald-trump)** > > So far, it appears to be working. Frankly, I think the Democrats need something big if they are going to beat Trump, and that something just might be Bloomberg’s money. And Judge Judy. Now, _THATS_ playing to the Trump base. I wasn’t a big fan of Bloomberg when he was mayor although I warmed to him a bit when I found out he was pretty much keeping the New York City Public Library solvent via anonymous donations ( it’s mentioned in the Atlantic article I’m about to link to but I knew previously through friends that work for the Library - they weren’t supposed to know but everyone knew. The Atlantic did an insightful article on Bloomberg and how he not only used his wealth to get elected but he used his wealth to fund and drive public policy while in office with tactics including funding new policy initiatives out of his own pocket and founding and funding nonprofits to promote his policy initiatives. Link > **[The Real Power of Bloomberg’s Money](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/01/bloombergs-bankrolling-wasnt-just-about-campaigns/604390/)** > > It’s not what he spends to get into office that’s so transformative—it’s what he spends once he gets there. It may be paywalled for some, here’s an excerpt. “Part of Bloomberg’s sales pitch is that his personal wealth (he’s worth an estimated 56 billion ) makes him incorruptible. Not only is he unbribeable; being rich enough not to take political contributions he can assume office unbeholden to donors. But Bloomberg is so rich he shifts the direction of political influence. Donors may not be able to buy influence but he can use his wealth to push things in the direction he wants. Bloomberg spent extensively as mayor of New York. He gave massive sums to nonprofit organizations and arts groups. (Snip for brevity)…His company, Bloomberg LP, made many corporate contributions that lined up with his political interests. The money kept coming and coming and coming. It broke logjams and wore down institutional resistance. His money allowed him to drown out the opposition - and often made political rivals hold their tongue. The timely and balanced budgets Bloomberg touted each year in PowerPoint presentations were enabled on part by spending cuts to groups that were then made whole again by the most transparent of donations.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3113 "2020-01-16T19:17:59Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > Audio picked up from the mics > > [https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/15/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-debate-audio/index.html) Jonathan Turley is a big Sanders supporter. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3114 "2020-01-16T19:22:51Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Part of Bloomberg’s sales pitch is that his personal wealth (he’s worth an estimated 56 billion ) makes him incorruptible. Not only is he unbribeable; being rich enough not to take political contributions he can assume office unbeholden to donors. The flip side of this is that the rich float way above the things that trouble the rest of us, often to the point of being oblivious to their very existence. You aren’t going to try to solve problems that you are unaware of. > [@](#): > > Bloomberg spent extensively as mayor of New York. He gave massive sums to nonprofit organizations and arts groups. (Snip for brevity)…His company, Bloomberg LP, made many corporate contributions that lined up with his political interests. I won’t go so far as to say that every billionaire is a policy failure, but to far too great a degree, we’ve abandoned solutions of public problems to the philanthropic whims of exceedingly rich people. This is what happens when we let a relative handful of people and corporations suck a good chunk of the money out of our economy. > [@](#): > > The timely and balanced budgets Bloomberg touted each year in PowerPoint presentations were enabled on part by spending cuts to groups that were then made whole again by the most transparent of donations.” This won’t work at a national level, needless to say. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3115 "2020-01-16T20:29:40Z")
I think in general, the media have been treating Bernie more fairly this time around. But that’s just extraordinarily biased moderating. > [@Des Moines Register debate transcript](#): > > PHILLIP: Let’s now turn to — let’s now turn to an issue that’s come up in the last 48 hours. Sen. Sanders, CNN reported yesterday that — and Sen. Sanders, Sen. Warren confirmed in a statement, that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that? > > SANDERS: Well, as a matter of fact, I didn’t say it. And I don’t want to waste a whole lot of time on this, because this is what Donald Trump and maybe some of the media want. Anybody knows me knows that it’s incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States. > > Go to YouTube today. There’s a video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of the United States. In 2015, I deferred, in fact, to Sen. Warren. There was a movement to draft Sen. Warren to run for president. And you know what, I said — stayed back. Sen. Warren decided not to run, and I then — I did run afterwards. > > Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States? And let me be very clear. If any of the women on this stage or any of the men on this stage win the nomination, I hope that’s not the case, I hope it’s me. > > (LAUGHTER) > > But if they do, I will do everything in my power to make sure that they are elected in order to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of our country. > > (APPLAUSE) > > PHILLIP: So Sen. Sanders — Sen. Sanders, I do want to be clear here, you’re saying that you never told Sen. Warren that a woman could not win the election? > > SANDERS: That is correct. > > PHILLIP: Sen. Warren, what did you think when Sen. Sanders told you a woman could not win the election? > > (LAUGHTER) ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3116 "2020-01-18T05:51:57Z")
Bernie Bros are now threatening to sit out the election if Biden is the nominee. > **['People will sit at home': Sanders supporters threaten to boycott election if...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist)** > > DES MOINES, Iowa — Bernie Sanders supporters are warning that a lack of enthusiasm for Joe Biden could bring about the same result that nominating another establishment Democrat did four years ago: electing Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3117 "2020-01-18T06:49:09Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Bernie Bros are now threatening to sit out the election if Biden is the nominee. > > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist) This is exactly why we need to get rid of Sanders. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3118 "2020-01-18T12:50:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Bernie Bros are now threatening to sit out the election if Biden is the nominee. > > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist) This linked article is basically right wing concern trolling. Chances are that with a little effort a reporter could find a few supporters of every candidate who has similar feelings. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3119 "2020-01-18T13:56:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Bernie Bros are now threatening to sit out the election if Biden is the nominee. > > [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/people-will-sit-at-home-sanders-supporters-threaten-to-boycott-vote-if-democrats-nominate-a-centrist) > [@](#): > > Jackelen, an IT professional from Ames, said Biden’s refusal to call billionaires “the enemy” was one reason his potential nomination in 2020 could suppress the left-wing vote. Two comments: (1) Being an “IT professional” does not imply political intelligence. My experience has been that many of the most virulent and ignorant political opinions come from electronic techs, or IT professionals. (2) In what perverted universe are “billionaires” the “enemy”?? 😕 IIRC, Gates, Buffett, Soros (and Bloomberg? Steyer?) are all on record as agreeing with Sanders/Warren in thinking taxes on the rich should be higher. Most billionaires are successful entrepreneurs. Are successful artists also the “enemy”? How about successful athletes? Sure, _some_ billionaires are assholes. But some laid-off coal-miners are assholes too. It’s garbage nonsense from The Left like “billionaires are the enemy” that helps motivate confused right-wing thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3120 "2020-01-18T20:10:32Z")
Iowa and Nevada using mobile apps to collect caucus results > **[Iowa And Nevada Will Caucus With Mobile Apps Despite Hacking Fears](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iowa-nevada-caucus-apps_n_5e2322c1c5b674e44b98f477)** > > Paper records will be used later to confirm the results. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=157)