# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/301 "2019-01-12T19:09:26Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > [I don’t trust her one bit.](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party) From the _Jacobin_ article: > [@](#): > > Gabbard’s objections to US wars spring not from a concern for those parts of the world the US military bombs and invades, but exclusively from a concern about the Americans who fight them. As she told Truthout in 2012, her own military service in Iraq and Kuwait “changed my life completely” and revealed the “tremendous cost of war,” recounting the daily casualties and injuries to US troop she saw when she was deployed in a medical unit. > > “The cost of war impacts all of us — both in the human cost and the cost that’s being felt frankly in places like Flint, Michigan, where families and children are devastated and destroyed by completely failed infrastructure because of lack of investment,” she told Glamour magazine in March last year. > > This also formed the thrust of her speech at 2012’s (particularly militaristic) DNC, where she told the crowd, “As a combat veteran, I know the costs of war. The sacrifices made by our troops and our military families are immeasurable.” If you’re an anti-war voter, you have to take what you can get. It reminds one of the old saying, “beggars can’t be choosers”. Anti-war Democrats had to put up with Afghanistan war plodding on for 8 years under Obama, while drone strikes also continued in numerous countries and bombing and troop engagements expanding in others. Hillary in 2016 promised to be even worse. Gabbard is the most outspoken candidate saying that she wants to end the pointless wars that we’re currently fighting and avoid starting new ones. Is it really productive to complain that she’s not completely ideologically pure in her motives for doing so? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/302 "2019-01-12T21:19:18Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > [Castro’s in](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-hud-secretary-julian-castro-joins-2020-democratic-presidential-field/2019/01/12/8e60314e-15eb-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?utm_term=.6bf75dffd006). I was there. Crowd size about 1-1.5k, the speeches weren’t too long, and Castro was introduced by his mother. Immigration reform, M4A, and universal pre-K were the three main policy points he touched on, but there was more, I’m sure, as I left a little early. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/303 "2019-01-12T21:20:23Z")
Gabbard isn’t going to win. Take it to the bank. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/304 "2019-01-12T22:54:30Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Gabbard isn’t going to win. Take it to the bank. But will she decrease some the money Harris gets to take to the bank that holds her campaign funds? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/305 "2019-01-13T18:31:42Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > But will she decrease some the money Harris gets to take to the bank that holds her campaign funds? I don’t think Gabbard will get far enough to have any such impact. Harris is a contender. Gabbard is a “bye, Felicia.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/306 "2019-01-16T00:05:25Z")
Gillibrand’s in. [https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/678292493/new-york-sen-kirsten-gillibrand-announces-2020-presidential-run?utm\_source=facebook.com&utm\_medium=social&utm\_campaign=npr&utm\_term=nprnews&utm\_content=20190115](https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/678292493/new-york-sen-kirsten-gillibrand-announces-2020-presidential-run?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20190115) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/307 "2019-01-16T01:02:27Z")
Looks like Sherrod Brown is getting ready to declare his candidacy on MSNBC’s Chris Hayes’ show this hour. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/308 "2019-01-16T01:29:18Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Looks like Sherrod Brown is getting ready to declare his candidacy on MSNBC’s Chris Hayes’ show this hour. Missed the edit window. Or he’s going to announce that he _isn’t_ going to run. Should know in a few minutes. I hope it’s yes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/309 "2019-01-16T01:49:54Z")
He’d be crazy not to. It looks like he’s set to be the establishment candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/310 "2019-01-16T01:55:58Z")
Hmmm. A “dignity of work” tour sounds like a run-up to a possible run. It’s not a yes or no, but definitely keeping his options open. Yaaayyy!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/311 "2019-01-16T02:18:39Z")
Very interesting, early start to the race. Surprised to see a heavy hitter like Warren jump in early. That’s brought Harris in, as well as a lot of 2nd tier contenders. So now we see what Biden and Sanders and Booker do. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/312 "2019-01-16T02:28:27Z")
Beto, on the other hand, doesn’t look like a guy who is going to run to me. He sounded really unsure and uninformed in his Washington Post interview: > **[Beto O’Rourke’s immigration plan: No wall, few specifics](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourkes-immigration-plan-no-wall-but-no-specifics/2019/01/15/f6e36fac-15ea-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.91d32750c667)** > > The former congressman and potential presidential candidate lacks a detailed plan. He says he’s open-minded and seeking a national debate. Questioning whether the US can still be governed by its constitution, that one’s going to hang over his head for life if he doesn’t figure out a real smart way to clarify that one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/313 "2019-01-16T04:59:17Z")
Sherrod Brown launches a listening tour to some states we hear a lot about every four years: [Sherrod Brown launches early state tour as he considers presidential bid | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/sherrod-brown-early-state-tour/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/314 "2019-01-16T17:49:34Z")
I heard Sherrod Brown on NPR this morning. He sounded very unprepared for the interview. Maybe because he went off-script to comment on the previous story (veterans lose burn-pit court battle), but I hope his aides scold him for it. If you can’t handle impromptu comments, stay on script. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/315 "2019-01-16T17:53:22Z")
One of the problems with Brown that won’t be a huge factor but will be SOME factor and probably means he definitely won’t be VP is the fact that Democrats definitely lose his seat until 2022 if he leave the Senate. Kasich appoints his replacement until the end of his term. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/316 "2019-01-16T17:59:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Kasich appoints his replacement until the end of his term. Which expired a couple of days ago. Mike DeWine is now the governor. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/317 "2019-01-16T18:01:49Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Beto, on the other hand, doesn’t look like a guy who is going to run to me. He sounded really unsure and uninformed in his Washington Post interview: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourkes-immigration-plan-no-wall-but-no-specifics/2019/01/15/f6e36fac-15ea-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba\_story.html?noredirect=on&utm\_term=.91d32750c667](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourkes-immigration-plan-no-wall-but-no-specifics/2019/01/15/f6e36fac-15ea-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.91d32750c667) > > Questioning whether the US can still be governed by its constitution, that one’s going to hang over his head for life if he doesn’t figure out a real smart way to clarify that one. Yeah, I’ve been cooling quite a bit on Beto in the past few weeks or so. I really hope he doesn’t run, as I don’t want him to suck up the excitement and headlines and dollars from other candidates. He should run for Senate again in 2020. At the same time, these are the days for fucking up interviews and getting the kinks out with feedback from staff. Over the next year, the good ones will get better, the rest will fizzle or flame out. And the ones who are completely out of their league will, hopefully, be advised not to run. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/318 "2019-01-16T18:18:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Which expired a couple of days ago. Mike DeWine is now the governor. Oops. But you get the point. Dewine makes that appointment. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/319 "2019-01-16T18:19:32Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Yeah, I’ve been cooling quite a bit on Beto in the past few weeks or so. I really hope he doesn’t run, as I don’t want him to suck up the excitement and headlines and dollars from other candidates. He should run for Senate again in 2020. > > At the same time, these are the days for fucking up interviews and getting the kinks out with feedback from staff. Over the next year, the good ones will get better, the rest will fizzle or flame out. And the ones who are completely out of their league will, hopefully, be advised not to run. I don’t think Beto has staff right now for a national run. From what I"m reading, all this planning for a Beto run is being done by some really high profile people without his input. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/320 "2019-01-21T14:46:29Z")
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