# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3801 "2020-02-29T20:26:12Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > So, Mayor Pete’s boy are counting the ballots and your problem is Bernie is mad about the thumb on the scale?? :rolleyes: Nowhere does it say that Mayor Pete’s boy were counting the ballots. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3802 "2020-02-29T23:27:20Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s not a conservative guess on Bernie’s delegate count on Super Tuesday. At all. In fact, Biden getting 700 and Bernie getting ~900 isn’t actually possible since there’s only about 1300 up for grabs that day. 1357 is the number. That includes 75 for Minnesota and 91 for Massachusetts. A conservative estimate should probably assume a decent chunk of those two state’s delegates going to Klobuchar and Warren. [2020 Chronological Cumulative Allocation of Delegates](https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/ccad.phtml) ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3803 "2020-03-01T02:46:19Z")
Jeb Bush in 2016: I spent $150 million in the Republican primary and got only 3 delegates. Tom Steyer in 2020: [Hold my beer.](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/tom-steyer-drops-out.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3804 "2020-03-01T02:55:38Z")
It’s going to a big win for Biden in South Carolina. With 81% reporting it is 49.1% Biden 19.6% Sanders 11.5% Steyer 8.0% Buttigieg 6.9% Warren 3.1% Klobucher 1.2% Gabbard ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3805 "2020-03-01T03:04:17Z")
Steyer is out. It’s weird that he dropped out before Super Tuesday. I expect to see Klobuchar dropping out after Super Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3806 "2020-03-01T15:31:00Z")
I just saw a surprising statistic at the Fivethirtyeight website. It’s no secret that Sanders appeals to YOUNG voters, while Biden appeals to the OLD. But the size of this differential is HUGE. In the following table, the first number is Sanders’ share of primary/caucus voters; the 2nd number Biden’s share. **Voters under 45** . . Iowa 41-4 . . N.H. 42-5 . . Nevada 56-8 **Voters over 45** . . Iowa 8-25 . . N.H. 18-10 . . Nevada 21-23 ETA: The caucus numbers are from _entrance_ polls. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3807 "2020-03-01T16:05:27Z")
No one is asking for my thoughts, so here they are! 🙂 I just want whoever will be Trump, though I think it is doable without picking Bloomberg, my least favorite candidate. It is a sad state of affairs that I would still vote for Bloomberg if he somehow got the nomination. Who has the best chance of winning the election? Pick him or her. My gut instinct is that it is Joe Biden, but I have no real way of knowing this. I probably will vote Joe Biden in the Michigan primary. If I accidentally voted for Elizabeth Warren, I would be just as happy. In fact, she is probably the most qualified to be President. I have policy disagreements with all of them, but I would pop a champagne cork(metaphorically, I don’t drink), if any of these become President: Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg Bernie Sanders Honestly, I could vote for any of those four and not have regrets. They are vastly different policy wise, but are all people I trust to be President. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3808 "2020-03-01T19:00:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Honestly, I could vote for any of those four and not have regrets. They are vastly different policy wise, but are all people I trust to be President. It used to be that you could say that, even of the opposition party. Or as someone said (PJ O’Rourke? About Hillary?) – terrible, but within normal parameters. My wife and I took two different approaches to our mailed-in Super Tuesday ballot. I voted for my 4th favorite but most electable (Biden); she went with her favorite (Klobuchar)…but based on South Carolina she now wishes she’d gone with Biden (for electability/anti-Bernie reasons). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3809 "2020-03-01T19:17:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It used to be that you could say that, even of the opposition party. Or as someone said (PJ O’Rourke? About Hillary?) – terrible, but within normal parameters. > > My wife and I took two different approaches to our mailed-in Super Tuesday ballot. I voted for my 4th favorite but most electable (Biden); she went with her favorite (Klobuchar)…but based on South Carolina she now wishes she’d gone with Biden (for electability/anti-Bernie reasons). Yes, I have a feeling Bernie Sanders will lose the election to Trump. I have no huge anti-Bernie feelings, but I do like Joe Biden and I think he will win the election. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3810 "2020-03-01T20:57:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I just saw a surprising statistic at the Fivethirtyeight website. > > It’s no secret that Sanders appeals to YOUNG voters, while Biden appeals to the OLD. But the size of this differential is HUGE. In the following table, the first number is Sanders’ share of primary/caucus voters; the 2nd number Biden’s share. > > **Voters under 45** > . . Iowa 41-4 > . . N.H. 42-5 > . . Nevada 56-8 > > **Voters over 45** > . . Iowa 8-25 > . . N.H. 18-10 > . . Nevada 21-23 > ETA: The caucus numbers are from _entrance_ polls. [South Carolina exit polls](https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/entrance-and-exit-polls) also showed a huge Biden advantage with voters 45 and over, but not so much of a a Sanders one with those under. **South Carolina** **Voters under 45** : 34 - 30 **Voters 45 and over** : 14 - 56 More so though, there has been _no excited turnout for Sanders among voters under 45_. Even just the white ones. He handily won the younger white voter demographic that voted … but despite their potential large numbers there were three times as white voters 45 and over than there were white voters under 45 in South Carolina yesterday. The primary results are being widely interpreted as being because of the Black vote and indeed Sanders was soundly rejected by that demographic yesterday - but he lost the white vote there too - by a 33 to 23% margin (with Buttigieg, another so-called moderate, next at 16%). I’d bet on Biden outperforming polling in Super Tuesday states, based more on the lack of Sanders driving up turnout in the demographic that prefers him than anything else, and him beating back his weakness as a candidate narrative with his performance yesterday (both in numbers and the well delivered speech in prime time). Bloomberg I think will underperform his polling and withdraw sometime within a week. ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3811 "2020-03-01T23:16:44Z")
[Pete Buttigieg to Quit Democratic Presidential Race](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-drops-out.html) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2020, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3812 "2020-03-01T23:19:14Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > [Pete Buttigieg to Quit Democratic Presidential Race](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-drops-out.html) This feel so sad. I hope we hear more from him. And this is another reason why Iowa should be booted from its prominent position. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3813 "2020-03-02T00:24:35Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > This feel so sad. I hope we hear more from him. > > And this is another reason why Iowa should be booted from its prominent position. Yes, Mayor Pete in 2028! Yep, Iowa is triply useless- pretty much a white state, a small state and it has a undemocratic caucus- which dont work. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3814 "2020-03-02T01:05:37Z")
Joe Biden is now the youngest guy left in the race. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3815 "2020-03-02T01:17:04Z")
Never fear! [The Democrats have a deep bench.](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/1/1923282/-Steinman-vs-Steinman-and-other-surprises-on-one-state-s-MO-presidential-primary-ballot) Although I’m concerned about Leonard and Velma splitting the Steinman wing of the party. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3816 "2020-03-02T04:15:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, Mayor Pete in 2028!.. Or, more likely, HUD Secretary in the next Dem Cabinet. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3817 "2020-03-02T05:14:07Z")
Those are not at odds with each other. Buttigieg needs to build a better resume than ex-mayor of a small city, and it’s clear that Indiana is too red to do it for him in electoral politics. But some seasoning in DC inside a Biden administration could make him look good for 2028. Maybe even then it’s “just” VP, but then there’s 2036. That sounds like forever from now, but he’ll only be 53! Still a quarter century younger than the serious candidates left in this year’s race. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3818 "2020-03-02T05:55:34Z")
Pete had probably earned the right to continue till Super Tuesday so dropping out now shows an impressive amount of discipline and savvy which is likely to pay off handsomely if Biden goes all the way. HUD secretary would not be a bad position at all. The US urgently needs a smarter urbanism which uses technology to build thriving,green cities while expanding housing supply to keep prices under control. Plus from a personal pov it would help him expand his ties with black voters. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3819 "2020-03-02T10:54:06Z")
I’m curious who the Buttigieg voters will go for now - my gut says Klobuchar could grab up most of them if she plays her cards right, with a small chunk for Biden. Buttigieg was in the “moderate” lane so I doubt many of his followers will back Sanders in the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3820 "2020-03-02T11:08:17Z")
I don’t think polling has supported the “lanes” idea very strongly. We’ll find out soon who the loss of Pete helps and hurts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=190) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=192)