# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 192
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3821 "2020-03-02T11:48:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Those are not at odds with each other. Buttigieg needs to build a better resume than ex-mayor of a small city, and it’s clear that Indiana is too red to do it for him in electoral politics. But some seasoning in DC inside a Biden administration could make him look good for 2028. Maybe even then it’s “just” VP, but then there’s 2036. That sounds like forever from now, but he’ll only be 53! Still a quarter century younger than the serious candidates left in this year’s race. That would be a good strategy. A lot of people think of Indiana as being similar to Wisconsin and Michigan but it’s really more like the South culturally. I do not see Pete with much of a future there. Also, he has the kind of face that will look more handsome with 10 years of aging, and I do think that looks have an advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3822 "2020-03-02T16:08:42Z")
As more and more talk of a brokered convention emerges, a certain sub-set of people are arguing that if one candidate has a plurality of delegates, then that candidate deserves to be the nominee, since that candidate would have received more delegates than anyone else. And so, I have a question: Is it possible, with the way delegates are allocated, for one candidate to have received more of the _popular vote_ throughout the primary season, but less _delegates_? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3823 "2020-03-02T17:07:58Z")
I would assume so, since Sanders is currently leading in delegates but Biden is leading in popular vote totals. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3824 "2020-03-02T17:29:00Z")
With fewer viable candidates its much less likely for a brokered convention anyway. One or two more drops and this question sorts itself all out. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3825 "2020-03-02T18:33:05Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I would assume so, since Sanders is currently leading in delegates but Biden is leading in popular vote totals. I can just hear it now: “My candidate got more delegates!” “Mine got more votes!” “Why do you hate democracy?!” “Why do \*you \*hate democracy?!!” I just really hope by the end of voting, a moderate (presumably Biden) has grabbed a plurality of both. Otherwise there’s gonna be an ugliness on display that humanity can’t afford to witness. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3826 "2020-03-02T18:33:33Z")
Klobuchar dropping out: > ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3827 "2020-03-02T18:35:42Z")
Just saw the Klob news. I suspect this means that the “establishment” is deciding to rally around Biden. I think this is a good thing, even though I support Bernie. It should be a 2 candidate race. I’d prefer if the alternative wasn’t Biden (I much prefer Klobuchar and most of the other “moderates” aside from Bloomberg over Biden), but this is the kind of choice Democrats should face. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3828 "2020-03-02T18:39:28Z")
Thank you Amy! We MUST stop Bernie and Biden is the only one who can. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3829 "2020-03-02T18:40:14Z")
We are flying in the dark going into Super Tuesday because there hasn’t been that much high-quality polling after SC and especially after Pete’s departure. Morning Consult seems to suggest a big Biden bounce but we really don’t know how that will play state by state. A strong second by Biden seems to be a reasonable bet but the margin in both directions is quite big. I am seeing fewer big endorsements for Biden than I expected; only Kaine and Duckworth among senators in the last week. The most anticipated ones are probably Harris and Newsom and I suppose they could come today. Perhaps Harris feels she would be an equally good VP pick for both Bernie and Biden and there is therefore no need to take a risk though in general IMO taking calculated risks is the only way to move ahead in high-level politics. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3830 "2020-03-02T18:42:41Z")
I’m glad it’s a 4-way race and though I do not in any way support Bloomberg, I’m glad he’s in for Super Tuesday. If the votes are split 4 ways and all rise to the 15% threshold in California, they split the delegates 4 ways and that blunts Sanders’ impact. Biden needs to nip Sanders’ heels until after Super Tuesday. He does just fine on his own after that. I’m encouraged by Bloomberg not making any ad buys past Super Tuesday. I suspect Bloomberg will drop out after tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3831 "2020-03-02T18:42:56Z")
Tammy Duckworth endorsing Biden. Nice to see. She is an excellent senator and someone who I think would be a great VP pick (for him, or anyone else). ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3832 "2020-03-02T18:46:58Z")
Apparently Amy will be endorsing Biden which will be a fairly big deal especially in Minnesota. Things are looking pretty good for Biden though it would be wise to be cautious given how he underperformed his polls in both Iowa and NH. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3833 "2020-03-02T18:48:35Z")
I hope that if Bloomberg fails to get a good number of delegates tomorrow, he’ll drop out tout suite and throw his massive billfold and campaign apparatus behind Biden’s election. Above all else, he’s a data-driven guy, and I don’t think he’ll ignore the data in this race just to stroke his own ego. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3834 "2020-03-02T18:55:43Z")
BTW why isn’t Beto endorsing Biden and campaigning with him in Texas? He had a highly disappointing campaign and doesn’t have a good job to go back to so it would seem an obvious move. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3835 "2020-03-02T19:41:39Z")
The endorsements keep rolling in for Biden: [Harry Reid](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485511-harry-reid-endorses-bidens-white-house-bid) and [Mayor Pete](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/485510-buttigieg-set-to-endorse-biden). According to 538’s endorsement tracker, Biden’s gotten seven new endorsements (not yet counting Pete’s) today: Steve Adler Mayor of Austin, Texas Harry Reid Former U.S. Senate majority leader Amy Klobuchar U.S. senator from Minnesota Veronica Escobar U.S. representative from Texas Tammy Duckworth U.S. senator from Illinois Michael Hancock Mayor of Denver Gil Cisneros U.S. representative from California ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3836 "2020-03-02T19:48:04Z")
The Establishment Strikes Back! I support Bernie and I’m glad the primary is becoming more clear (i.e. less likely to drag out with massive uncertainty). This will also crystallize the messaging – Bernie v. “the establishment”. It might even allow him to portray himself as the underdog, which was hard to do when he was winning 2.5 of the early states (NH and NV plus split decision in IA). But it’s obviously a tall task ahead of him. We’ll know a lot more on Tues. If endorsements like this have an effect, I’m hopeful that they’re coming too little, too late to have a big impact for tomorrow. Like I said in another thread, watch TX and VA (and probably NC) closely – if Sanders wins at least 1 of those he’s in good shape; if he wins 2 or 3 he’s probably going to dominate the delegate count overall. If he loses all three by a lot than Biden will be having a good day. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3837 "2020-03-02T19:50:06Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3838 "2020-03-02T20:20:44Z")
Note to self for 2024: early/mail in voting in a primary is a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3839 "2020-03-02T20:26:50Z")
Can I just point out that it’s not really a great look to trash “The Establishment” of the political party whose infrastructure you’re using to mount your campaign? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/3840 "2020-03-03T00:53:20Z")
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