# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/821 "2019-03-14T18:38:57Z")
Virginia for Booker mainly because it’s closer to New Jersey than the other Super Tuesday states. I think others have mentioned South Carolina due to the higher proportion of African Americans among the Democrats in the state, and they are a demographic he needs to do well with. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/822 "2019-03-14T19:09:01Z")
Yeah, South Carolina is the first state where African-Americans pick the nominee. No reason for the African-American candidates to not test their strength there before throwing in the towel. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/823 "2019-03-14T19:41:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > They play a \*prominent \*role, but not a strongly influential one. The Iowa winner is only occasionally the nominee. Yeah, but Iowa shouldn’t be a caucus. Caucuses do not represent the will of the people. Just have a damn\* election\*, willya? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/824 "2019-03-14T20:03:52Z")
As to Booker, I see. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/825 "2019-03-14T20:11:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Not personal, just harsh. I said pretty much the same thing when he was being pushed for President or VP a few years ago. If he s so great, he’d run statewide. **REpublicans have nominated blue and purple state Republicans for President but Democrats stick to blue states and that’s actually not healthy.** > > And while HUD CAN be a real job, it tends to be a nothing job in practice and Castro can point to no real accomplishments other than “I was HUD Secretary and I’m handsome”. Beto can point to “I’m handsome, a little weird in a good way, and oh BTW, I scared the shit out of Ted Cruz!” How do you figure? Trump, obviously, is from NY, but never won a statewide election there, and couldn’t have. Bill Clinton, Gore, and Edwards were all from purplish States. Jack Kemp was from NY and Bush I from Massachusetts, but they were Congressmen. Other than them, the only candidates in recent memory on GOP tickets from even vaguely purple States were Pence and McCain, and those States really aren’t very purple. As far as I see, the last candidate on a major party ticket who had won statewide office in a State leaning heavily towards the other party was Lloyd Bentsen, and that was forty years ago. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/826 "2019-03-15T02:44:53Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > Before he got in, I didn’t think he had a chance. But in that one clip, along with his other viral clips, he always shows what a great speaker he is and how much charisma he has. He didn’t even say anything in his announcement, and I have a feeling I won’t like his policies, yet I’m drawn to it. Right? Beto’s got the juice, for sure. > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Has the DNC set the rules for how the nominee will be determined at the convention next year? I think it’s a safe assumption that with this many candidates that it’s unlikely someone will have over 50% of the delegates when the last primary is over. How would things go from there? Is the candidate with the fewest delegates who hasn’t dropped out yet eliminated after each round of voting? Do the individual delegates who are pledged to candidates that are out of the running decide for themselves who they change their vote to, or does the nominee they are pledged to direct them to change their vote to that candidates favorite among those who still remain? What I do know is that superdelegates can vote in the second round if no one gets more than 50 percent of the first round votes. On your other questions, I’m not sure–but I \*think \*delegates become “unbound” after the second round as well. If the candidate they originally pledged to makes some kind of deal, they will probably agree to it, but they don’t have to, AFAIK. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/827 "2019-03-15T16:09:51Z")
[Well, this is something:](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/politics/julian-castro-bernie-sanders-reparations-cnntv/index.html) Julian Castro says he would “establish a group to study” reparations for slavery, and bashes Bernie Sanders for dismissing the idea. Didn’t see that coming. In other news, [Tulsi Gabbard declines to call Assad a war criminal.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/politics/tulsi-gabbard-syria-bashar-al-assad-war-criminal/) And [Bill de Blasio](https://www.wmur.com/article/its-confirmed-nyc-mayor-bill-deblasio-wife-will-visit-manchester-claremont-this-weekend/26805128)is visiting New Hampshire. Really? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/828 "2019-03-15T18:02:53Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > By no means a new observation [about Iowa], and the same may be said of New Hampshire. Both are also older, whiter and more rural than the U.S. population as a whole. This is a feature (though perhaps inadvertantly so) rather than a bug. New Hampshire is a swing state and Iowa, while reddish, may share some demographics with swing states like Pennsylvania. We need a candidate with appeal to the voters of swing states, not ones with strong appeal in the sure-blue or sure-red states. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/829 "2019-03-15T18:33:06Z")
Iowa’s totally a swing state IMO. Didn’t they go for Obama twice? In other news, Bernie Sanders is hoping to become the first octogenarian president. He’s really leaning into that brand with his “shower door injury”: [https://twitter.com/slackerinc/status/1106610286344241153?s=21](https://twitter.com/slackerinc/status/1106610286344241153?s=21) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/830 "2019-03-15T18:42:32Z")
I just saw a clip of Cory Booker being asked if he would support the eventual nominee, regardless of who it is. He unequivocally said Yes, and encouraged all the candidates to do likewise. If they do, and mean it, then we have no problem. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/831 "2019-03-15T18:46:23Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > …Jack Kemp was from NY and Bush I from Massachusetts, but they were Congressmen… Bush I was a Congressman from Texas. He ran unsuccesfully for a U.S. Senate seat from Texas after having served as head of the Harris County GOP (in Texas). 4 of his 6 children were born in Texas; none were born in Massachusetts. He lived in Texas from 1950 until his death 68 years later. So although he was born in Massachusetts and spent time there during the summers, for the sake of accuracy, one should consider him as being a politician from a Red state. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/832 "2019-03-15T19:19:52Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I just saw a clip of Cory Booker being asked if he would support the eventual nominee, regardless of who it is. He unequivocally said Yes, and encouraged all the candidates to do likewise. If they do, and mean it, then we have no problem. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/833 "2019-03-15T19:26:49Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I just saw a clip of Cory Booker being asked if he would support the eventual nominee, regardless of who it is. He unequivocally said Yes, and encouraged all the candidates to do likewise. If they do, and mean it, then we have no problem. It’s nice that he said that, but as adahar has pointed out, the only candidate who is likely to cause problems in this regard is Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/834 "2019-03-15T20:29:01Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > It’s nice that he said that, but as adahar has pointed out, the only candidate who is likely to cause problems in this regard is Bernie. I thought the implied “including you, Bernie!” in my statement was obvious. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/835 "2019-03-15T20:32:21Z")
He’s sure to be asked, and he’d better not fumble. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/836 "2019-03-15T20:34:28Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > It’s nice that he said that, but as adahar has pointed out, the only candidate who is likely to cause problems in this regard is Bernie. That’s maybe true, but I dont think us dems should listen to the opposition as to what we should do. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/837 "2019-03-15T21:09:00Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Bush I was a Congressman from Texas. He ran unsuccesfully for a U.S. Senate seat from Texas after having served as head of the Harris County GOP (in Texas). 4 of his 6 children were born in Texas; none were born in Massachusetts. He lived in Texas from 1950 until his death 68 years later. > > So although he was born in Massachusetts and spent time there during the summers, for the sake of accuracy, one should consider him as being a politician from a Red state. Correction noted, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/838 "2019-03-16T03:01:17Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > How do you figure? Trump, obviously, is from NY, but never won a statewide election there, and couldn’t have. Bill Clinton, Gore, and Edwards were all from purplish States. Jack Kemp was from NY and Bush I from Massachusetts, but they were Congressmen. Other than them, the only candidates in recent memory on GOP tickets from even vaguely purple States were Pence and McCain, and those States really aren’t very purple. As far as I see, the last candidate on a major party ticket who had won statewide office in a State leaning heavily towards the other party was Lloyd Bentsen, and that was forty years ago. Romney-Massachusetts McCain-Arizona And the 2016 field presented top tier candidates from New Jersey, Florida, Wisconsin, and Ohio. The last Democratic nominees: New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, and the current field is heavily loaded at the top level with blue staters, with only Beto considered a possible top tier guy from a non-blue state. The top Democratic contenders in 2016: Delaware, Vermont, New Jersey, California, Massachusetts. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/839 "2019-03-16T03:19:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …The top Democratic contenders in 2016: Delaware, Vermont, New Jersey, California, Massachusetts. And New York and Maryland. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/840 "2019-03-16T03:27:30Z")
New York? There is no top tier contender from New York, nor even a 2nd tier contender. There is some lady with the worst flip flopping record of all time and a reputation for incredible insincerity and fakeness in the race, but no one really seems to care that she’s there. But at least I’ve heard of her. Who is running from Maryland? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=43)