# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1621 "2019-07-03T14:21:20Z")
[Warren, Harris, Biden in statistical tie in Iowa](http://www.focusonruralamerica.com/2019/07/03/july-2019-poll-results/) Warren 20% Harris 18% Biden 17% Sanders 12% Buttigieg 10% Klobuchar 4% Booker 2% Everyone else 0-1% ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1622 "2019-07-03T14:25:57Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Biden’s support among Democrats has [dropped from 30 percent down to 22 percent. In addition, his support among black voters has fallen sharply.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/bidens-support-black-voters-cut-101036549.html) Probably better phrased, “Biden’s support among black voters has fallen sharply. Consequently, his support among Democrats has dropped from 30 percent down to 22 percent.” Among whites, he’s been part of the pack for a while now. His big lead among African-Americans had been what’s kept him out front overall. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1623 "2019-07-03T14:32:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Thanks. [Only 14 are sure to be there](https://www.msn.com/g00/en-us/news/politics/analysis-here-are-the-democrats-at-risk-of-not-making-the-july-debates/ar-AADN4Ja?ocid=spartanntp&i10c.ua=5&i10c.encReferrer=), which is still frustratingly many (we wanna know _now_, dammit!) but it’s still early. I want to yell, “Game’s locked!” so the remaining candidates would be locked out. > [@](#): > > If you’re not beating Marianne Williamson, it’s time to reconsider your life choices, friend. Indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1624 "2019-07-03T15:01:58Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > way too early to declare Biden is in big trouble. McCain was declared dead early in 2008 and he recovered to get the nomination. While it is way too early to declare Biden is dead, it is certainly time to declare him to be in (big) trouble. You don’t drop that far after just one debate, and essentially just because of a minute or so of that debate, and not be in trouble. I suspect he will continue to drop, just as he always has, and see no reason to think otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1625 "2019-07-03T15:23:33Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > While it is way too early to declare Biden is dead, it is certainly time to declare him to be in (big) trouble. You don’t drop that far after just one debate, and essentially just because of a minute or so of that debate, and not be in trouble. I suspect he will continue to drop, just as he always has, and see no reason to think otherwise. I agree. He had broad early support due to 1) Obama, 2) name recognition, and 3) perceived strength in the general against Trump. While voters seem to like him, they don’t seem to love him, and will find someone else when the tide turns even slightly. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1626 "2019-07-03T15:37:46Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > way too early to declare Biden is in big trouble. McCain was declared dead early in 2008 and he recovered to get the nomination. Only because the rest of the field either flamed out or became too extreme for one side of the GOP or the other. McCain became the Hold-Your-Nose-And-Think-Of-Christmas candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1627 "2019-07-03T16:14:07Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It’s possible to force the district but not the individual families. > > District has to allow children to go to any school in the district, and to provide transportation. Parents can choose which school to send their kids to. Uh, are you saying that’s how you think it SHOULD work? Because that’s most certainly not how it DOES work. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1628 "2019-07-03T16:22:08Z")
I’m imagining a debate between Trump and Biden, and I just can’t see myself wanting to tune in to watch. If it’s not a trainwreck of gaffes for both sides, it’ll probably be boring because both will be trying to appeal to people who already like them. Am I the only who feels this way? Whoever the nominee is, they will need to be someone who makes people want to sit up and pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1629 "2019-07-03T16:40:56Z")
The other side of it, as Nate Silver (I think it was) said, is that candidates who get their own side excited get the other side riled up. So sometimes boring and generic can be very strong in this era of negative partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1630 "2019-07-03T16:45:03Z")
Joe Biden raised 21.5 million in 2nd quarter fundraising. Yes, that’s right, he was beaten by a small town mayor. Joe Biden, former VP and a senator since 1973. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1631 "2019-07-03T16:55:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > The other side of it, as Nate Silver (I think it was) said, is that candidates who get their own side excited get the other side riled up. So sometimes boring and generic can be very strong in this era of negative partisanship. Dems need to focus their efforts on riling up their base, though. That was the big lesson in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1632 "2019-07-03T17:05:21Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Joe Biden raised 21.5 million in 2nd quarter fundraising. Yes, that’s right, he was beaten by a small town mayor. Joe Biden, former VP and a senator since 1973. Well that certainly suggests pre-debate problems. But still, these are kind of big numbers. I’ve read a little about how some of the first quarter numbers weren’t historically high. In my mind though, with such a bigger field they are pulling some serious cash. In 2008, Obama got $25M first quarter, $32M second (Hillary got $27M) in a much smaller field. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1633 "2019-07-03T17:10:54Z")
… those 2008 numbers look even more impressive given they were raised in a pre-Citizens United world as well, CarnalK. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1634 "2019-07-03T17:33:20Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It’s possible to force the district but not the individual families. > > District has to allow children to go to any school in the district, and to provide transportation. Parents can choose which school to send their kids to. I vaguely recall being taught that this was the plan until somebody noticed that everybody wanted to send their kids to the better schools, at which point somebody stepped in and told the parents which schools their kids would attend. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1635 "2019-07-03T17:33:59Z")
Read a few things about Harris that haven’t been vetted in the mainstream yet. If she fets the nomination be sure the name Willie Brown will be used as a hit job. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1636 "2019-07-03T17:42:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … those 2008 numbers look even more impressive given they were raised in a pre-Citizens United world as well, CarnalK. I thought the Citizens United decision just freed up third party spending, not direct contributions to a campaign. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1637 "2019-07-03T17:45:40Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Joe Biden raised 21.5 million in 2nd quarter fundraising. Yes, that’s right, he was beaten by a small town mayor. Joe Biden, former VP and a senator since 1973. That’s on a touch over two months of being a candidate in the quarter. He still managed to beat Sanders by 3.5 million for the quarter. Sanders was in the race for the entire quarter. If it’s bad news for Biden, it’s abyssmal for Sanders. I suspect were’ going to see a lot of numbers from candidates that wished they were even close to Sanders before this round of reporting is over. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1638 "2019-07-03T17:51:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well that certainly suggests pre-debate problems. > > But still, these are kind of big numbers. I’ve read a little about how some of the first quarter numbers weren’t historically high. In my mind though, with such a bigger field they are pulling some serious cash. In 2008, Obama got $25M first quarter, $32M second (Hillary got $27M) in a much smaller field. Wait, are we comparing 2019 with 2008? (Hint: one’s divisible by 4, the other isn’t.) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1639 "2019-07-03T18:12:02Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Wait, are we comparing 2019 with 2008? (Hint: one’s divisible by 4, the other isn’t.) I was talking about and quoted their primary fundraising. You may note I gave both Hillary and Obama 2nd quarter numbers? So, technically it was 2007 fundraising, also indivisible by 4. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1640 "2019-07-03T18:40:59Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > Read a few things about Harris that haven’t been vetted in the mainstream yet. If she fets the nomination be sure the name Willie Brown will be used as a hit job. How? I had no idea who he is, and I’ve lived in California since the turn of the century. Who actually cares? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=83)