# Hee-haw, y'all. The 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415 "2018-11-12T17:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 95
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1881 "2019-07-17T14:51:29Z")
Regardless, this sidetrack was started talking about which candidate would excite which group of voters. Not sure which candidate or policy would excite the convict vote. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1882 "2019-07-17T15:05:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > There’s [data showing that it breaks down to what you’d expect from the racial make up of the felons](https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/11/2/18049510/felon-voting-rights-amendment-4-florida) and they vote at drastically lower rates (like 12-16%). Are you having a difficult time following the current topic being discussed? Let me walk you through my reasoning here: - Yes, they vote at drastically lower rates. Doesn’t matter what their underlying demographics are. The fact is they lean Democratic. - Republicans have a lot to do with these low voting rates. Above and beyond the suppression tactics that they perpetuate on black populations, they also are trying to disenfranchise convicted felons. Why? Because they know such efforts pay off for them in the long term. - Dems who continue to shrug this off, do so at their own peril. Every likely Dem vote counts in this election if it’s in a swing state. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1883 "2019-07-17T15:23:51Z")
I am not having any difficulty. I see what you’re saying, understand it completely and think it’s a fool’s errand as far as 2020 goes. At least, in partisan politics gains. I think it’s the right thing to do, encouraging felons to retake their rights. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1884 "2019-07-17T15:26:12Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > [But white women split 49-49% when voting for their representative in 2018.](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/08/the-2018-midterm-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/) Anyway, it’s not an either-or thing. Democrats need to target every group. I don’t disagree that they need to appeal to every group. But I also think we need to lower our expectations about white women, at least for a while. They are not “the base” that **Dseid** was asking about. Too many of them are in favor of ignoring (or even enabling) sexism and misogyny just as long as they feel like the administration is hurting the “right” people. If between now and election day a 911 type event occurs, I predict the majority of them will vote for Trump again. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1885 "2019-07-17T15:35:15Z")
Another campaign, another year in which Bernie Sanders’ campaign bitches about why they’re losing and how the system is rigged against them: > **[Sanders campaign: Media ‘find Bernie annoying, discount his seriousness’](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/bernie-sanders-campaign-media-reject-1415832)** > > His staff is unusually vocal in calling out coverage they dislike, fueling frustration once again among the senator’s supporters about whether he’s getting a fair shot at the White House. I’ve liked Sanders a lot as a Senator, but my patience is growing thin with his presidential campaign schtick. I went into this campaign with an open mind to see how far his campaign could go, but I’m beginning to get to the point where I will cheer the further he slides into the polls. I just hope that they don’t drop out and form a third party campaign, but I could totally see Sanders’ more committed fanatics doing it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1886 "2019-07-17T17:07:39Z")
He isn’t eligible for the nomination anyway, unless he surprises everyone and actually joins the party. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1887 "2019-07-17T18:14:08Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I don’t disagree that they need to appeal to every group. > > But I also think we need to lower our expectations about white women, at least for a while. They are not “the base” that **Dseid** was asking about. Too many of them are in favor of … Just as broad brush stroking the base is a mistake so is lumping white women together as one group. Educated white women, often urban and suburban, are a different demographic than less educated more commonly rural women. What excites one group may overlap little with the important issues of the other. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1888 "2019-07-17T18:30:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He isn’t eligible for the nomination anyway, unless he surprises everyone and actually joins the party. Lol. So cute. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1889 "2019-07-17T18:33:42Z")
Upon Googling: [Actually, he did!](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/05/sen-bernie-sanders-signs-pledge-declaring-democrat-2020/3074461002/) > [@](#): > > “I am a member of the Democratic Party,” the document signed by Sanders reads. “I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected.” Snark happily withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1890 "2019-07-17T18:56:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Another campaign, another year in which Bernie Sanders’ campaign bitches about why they’re losing and how the system is rigged against them: > > [https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/bernie-sanders-campaign-media-reject-1415832](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/bernie-sanders-campaign-media-reject-1415832) > > I’ve liked Sanders a lot as a Senator, but my patience is growing thin with his presidential campaign schtick. I went into this campaign with an open mind to see how far his campaign could go, but I’m beginning to get to the point where I will cheer the further he slides into the polls. > > I just hope that they don’t drop out and form a third party campaign, but I could totally see Sanders’ more committed fanatics doing it. His campaign media man spends all day attacking Biden. He should take a look at the polls and see Warren and Harris are ahead in several. Warren occupying the same line on the left but actively building a coalition (compared to Bernie who preaches to the converted). And Harris whose one hit on Biden registered more than Bernie’s several. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1891 "2019-07-17T19:04:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Upon Googling: [Actually, he did!](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/05/sen-bernie-sanders-signs-pledge-declaring-democrat-2020/3074461002/) If anyone is wondering where he, or any of the other candidates, got this form, it’s on [the last page of this document](https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2020-Call-for-Convention-WITH-Attachments-2.26.19.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1892 "2019-07-18T02:24:50Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Well of course. Not all Latinos are the same. Still, 70% of them voting Dem is high enough to make this group a good campaign investment. They are pretty clustered geographically, though. As we were reminded, the presidency is about winning a bunch of population weighted state level elections not winning the national popular vote. The Midwest states that swung Trump’s way in 2016 are in single digits for Latin share of the population. ([Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Hispanic_and_Latino_population) from wiki of the by state share. There’s some red/red leaning states that have high Latin population like Texas and Arizona that might be susceptible. A lot of those Latin voters are in states where whether they vote or not won’t matter for the result. The Democrat is going to win easily either way. The states that Trump picked up in the Midwest, though, tend to have total Latin populations in the single digits. There’s just not that many votes to pick up by focusing on Latin non-voters in what look to be critical states again. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1893 "2019-07-18T05:23:24Z")
Florida. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1894 "2019-07-18T13:13:18Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Anyway, it’s not an either-or thing. Democrats need to target every group. That sounds nice, but there are limits in practice. What message is going to appeal to both minorities and racists? Anyone who voted Republican in 2018 is almost surely out of reach. Trying to appeal to everyone _else_ is a reasonable approach. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1895 "2019-07-18T13:44:42Z")
You don’t try to appeal to racists, but you can try to appeal to (for instance) working-class small-town folks. And if you do a good job, you’ll pull in some folks who are working-class and small-town, and also racist, because they find the economic part of your platform more relevant than the social justice part of your platform. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1896 "2019-07-18T14:17:08Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > But I also think we need to lower our expectations about white women, at least for a while. They are not “the base” that **Dseid** was asking about. Too many of them are in favor of ignoring (or even enabling) sexism and misogyny just as long as they feel like the administration is hurting the “right” people. If between now and election day a 911 type event occurs, I predict the majority of them will vote for Trump again. According to that argument, there’d be even less sense in targeting any white men, no? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1897 "2019-07-18T14:58:59Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Florida. Hispanic Floridians are not equal to Hispanics in much of the rest of the country. For most of the rest of the country country Mexican heritage predominates; in Florida it has traditionally been Cuban and recently a major uptick in Puerto Rican heritage (the two are now equal in numbers as eligible voters). Both are very worthwhile targets of outreach and currently the Florida Hispanic voting population leans D but they do not share all the same priorities and identities as Hispanics in the rest of the country. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > That sounds nice, but there are limits in practice. What message is going to appeal to both minorities and racists? … > [@Chronos](#): > > You don’t try to appeal to racists, but you can try to appeal to (for instance) working-class small-town folks. And if you do a good job, you’ll pull in some folks who are working-class and small-town, and also racist, because they find the economic part of your platform more relevant than the social justice part of your platform. Exactly. People with racist beliefs (who most commonly do not think they have any racist beliefs) share quite a few problems and issues with many people who are not racist and, shockingly, even with people who have minority identities, even beyond wealth inequality and other economic issues. (Environmental safety, health care, more dying younger, feeling like your representative cares about people like yourself … ) I am pretty sure quite a few people with many racist beliefs voted for Obama because they also care about other things than race, the same things their neighbors without racist beliefs care about, and sometimes even more. There is a big electoral difference between losing, for example, white non-college educated voters by 25 points, as Obama did in 2012, and losing it by 39 points, as Clinton did in 2016. Both sizably lost the demographic, true, but the size of the loss mattered much. It is basic math that seems to often be forgotten. Do not target racists. _And_ do not ignore the real issues and problems of the demographics that include racists just because the demographic includes them, and because of that you will not get a majority of those votes in any case. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1898 "2019-07-18T20:46:35Z")
CNN has announced the format for dividing the candidates into the two nights for the July 30 & 31 debate Each night will have: Two of: Biden, Harris, Sanders, Warren Three of: Booker, Buttigieg, Castro, Klobuchar, O’Rourke, Yang Five of: Bennet, Bullock, de Blasio, Delaney, Gabbard, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper, Inslee, Ryan, Williamson Once the candidates’ nights have been determined, “public polling” will determine who stands next to whom. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1899 "2019-07-18T22:46:15Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > CNN has announced the format for dividing the candidates into the two nights for the July 30 & 31 debate. The drawing is tonight, 7/18/19 at 8 pm EST on CNN. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415/1900 "2019-07-18T23:09:35Z")
CNN have been hyping this up for the last 48 hours. THE DRAW! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=94) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hee-haw-yall-the-2020-democratic-presidential-primary/824415.md?page=96)