# Heh. Moussaoui on day five: "This isn't as much fun as I thought it might be..." **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 9, 2006, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034 "2006-05-09T06:24:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/21 "2006-05-09T16:41:16Z")
If he’s in a Supermax, no Bubba, alas. Frankly, I was quite pleased with his sentence. Giving him a life sentence\* was the best solution on a number of counts – of which denying him martyrdom was probably the most satisfying, but proving that American jurors really can set aside personal feelings and deliver a fair verdict based on the law and evidence is the most important. I hope he lives a long, long life and has lots of time to repent of his arrogance and erroneous assumptions about our justice system. \*Or multiples, to be technically accurate, but since he only has one life, it’s effectively just one. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/22 "2006-05-09T16:42:26Z")
Y’know, on reviewing the article, does anyone else feel like he should be treated for some sort of mental illness, not locked up? Please be aware I was not following the case with any great degree of interest, but: what exactly was he convicted of? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/23 "2006-05-09T16:51:58Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Schaedenfreude\* is a horrible emotion, but in this case… > > heh. > > \*Warning! May not be correctly spelled! It makes me very happy to say you spelled it wrong. 🙂 (That first ‘e’ was unnecessary.) > [@Mama Tiger](#): > > If he’s in a Supermax, no Bubba, alas. Although his wacky neighbor will be Tim Kaczynski. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/24 "2006-05-09T16:52:59Z")
Yep the man is a loon. Medical treatment might have been a better option. Still, you have to say the lad just was doing all he could to avoid that. He was convicted of being a member of a terrorist group (which he seems to have been guilty of) and of not telling the FBI about the 9-11 plot when he was arrested for the first charge. It seems that he did not really know about the 9-11 plot (although he said he did). He probably was really factually guilty of the first charge, and perhaps not of the second. Nonetheless, off to the Tower with the silly little man. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/25 "2006-05-09T16:56:28Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Hopefully, he’ll update us with tales from his honeymoon, after Bubba takes him as his bride. :eek: I doubt he’ll ever see anyone again that doesn’t have a guard uniform on, so Bubba is not someone he needs to fear. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/26 "2006-05-09T16:59:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Although his wacky neighbor will be Tim Kaczynski. Or maybe even Ted Kaczynski. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/27 "2006-05-09T17:01:36Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Y’know, on reviewing the article, does anyone else feel like he should be treated for some sort of mental illness, not locked up? > > Please be aware I was not following the case with any great degree of interest, but: what exactly was he convicted of? He was convicted of, basically, not telling the FBI when questioned in the weeks prior to 9/11/2001, of the conspiracy to fly those airplanes into their various targets. Which, I believe, is a variation of the “Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire” statute. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/28 "2006-05-09T17:02:18Z")
What, they locked up his brother, too? :smack: At least this supports the ‘after a few years, people will forget who he is’ idea proposed in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/29 "2006-05-09T17:03:28Z")
> [@danceswithcats](#): > > Hopefully, he’ll update us with tales from his honeymoon, after Bubba takes him as his bride. :eek: I know that this is trite here on the Dope, but that really isn’t funny. Also, after these prisoners in “super-max” age a few years will they have a chance to move to a lower-security prison? ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/30 "2006-05-09T17:08:46Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > I know that this is trite here on the Dope, but that really isn’t funny. > > Also, after these prisoners in “super-max” age a few years will they have a chance to move to a lower-security prison? Not the political/terrorist set. They are there for the longest of long terms, and will likely be buried out back of the prison, oh, 50 years or so from now. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/31 "2006-05-09T17:18:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Explaining his latest reversal, Moussaoui said in an affidavit: > > “I had thought I would be sentenced to death based on the emotions and anger toward me for the deaths on Sept. 11. But after reviewing the jury verdict and reading how the jurors set aside their emotions and disgust for me and focused on the law and the evidence … I now see that it is possible that I can receive a fair trial even with Americans as jurors.” See! just like I always told y’all, “America, not so bad!” Now will y’all belive me? Still, let’s not get too giddy. Let the poor bloke revel undisturbed in his new delusions, but (strictly _entre nous_) we must know better then to let him have a new trial. Our justice system is far from perfect. Much remains to be done. Poor chap came within three (3) votes from Death Penalty. Next time, he might not be that lucky. What if next time he gets it? Imagine what that might do to his newly aquired faith in America? Most importantly, can we afford that? I mean, we have too few true friends left in the world as it is. Also, by all acoounts US prisons suck. However, we have a few zoos on par with the best in the world: spacious, humane and all that. We can put him in the good zoo. The one where animals have a front office, open for observation, and a back room, where they can retire if they wish not to be disturbed. Must be very comfortable back there. Why, last time I went to one of those zoos, hardly any animal was in sight; all retired into the back rooms, watching TVs or fornicating, I guess. And there I was, after spending a small fortune on tickets for the missus and the brood, with no animals visible for miles. Also, the beer was not so good. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/32 "2006-05-09T17:19:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Although his wacky neighbor will be Tim Kaczynski. Why is the nebbishy guy from 80s-era Saturday Night Live in prison? ---
**Author:** ![maziiadar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@maziiadar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maziiadar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/33 "2006-05-09T18:02:33Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Y’know, on reviewing the article, does anyone else feel like he should be treated for some sort of mental illness, not locked up? In some way yes. He is very clearly a mentally ill person. But I can not blame the US for putting him in prison, he was also sincerely trying to commit terrorism - it is just he was not good at it. But thank God the Americans did not kill him and make him a martyr, it was better to see this happen. In fact, instead of being angry and outraged at Moussaoie now, he should be used for propaganda, or his statements. ---
**Author:** ![maziiadar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@maziiadar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maziiadar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/34 "2006-05-09T18:05:30Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Y’know, on reviewing the article, does anyone else feel like he should be treated for some sort of mental illness, not locked up? In some way yes. He is very clearly a mentally ill person. But I can not blame the US for putting him in prison, he was also sincerely trying to commit terrorism - it is just he was not good at it. But thank God the Americans did not kill him and make him a martyr, it was better to see this happen. In fact, instead of being angry and outraged at Moussaoie now, he should be used for propaganda, or his statements. And the virgins is not a bad translation, the word is always understood to mean virgin although there is some European who made a theory that it means grape, from maybe Aramaic. However, I have read heavy criticism of the author’s work from european linguists who said it was badly done and not correct. Of course religious Muslims never gave it any regard. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/35 "2006-05-09T18:07:42Z")
Isn’t that blinda Santa Claus dude in the Colorado supermax too? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/36 "2006-05-09T18:23:32Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Why is the nebbishy guy from 80s-era Saturday Night Live in prison? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim\_Kazurinsky](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kazurinsky) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/37 "2006-05-09T18:31:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Why is the nebbishy guy from 80s-era Saturday Night Live in prison? He was on SNL- doesn’t that mean he deserves it? ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/38 "2006-05-09T18:31:44Z")
**MamaTiger** Yes, I too hope he has the time to repent his arrogance and hostility to the American people and its way of life. I’m just wondering if he will find the time (considering his “busy” schedule): Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - Nothing Thursday, May 11, 2006 - Nothing Friday, May 12, 2006 - Nothing Saturday, May 13, 2006 - Nothing Hmmm, I’m detecting a pattern there. From what I’ve heard of those maximum security prisons, that is precisely what you can do. Wow, that is a creepy thought about living your life in the same bland existence as the day before and the only thing to which to look forward is your own death. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/39 "2006-05-09T19:01:09Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Y’know, on reviewing the article, does anyone else feel like he should be treated for some sort of mental illness, not locked up? > > Please be aware I was not following the case with any great degree of interest, but: what exactly was he convicted of? He wasn’t even convicted as he plead guilty to all counts. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034/40 "2006-05-09T19:38:20Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > He wasn’t even convicted as he plead guilty to all counts. Well technically he was convicted. Granted the conviction is based on a plea of guilty not a jury finding of guilt, but it is still considered a conviction. The typical wording by a judge is “Based on your plea, I find you guilty and sentence you to furthermore based on this conviction you may not [Y] (Y could be own a fire arm, go near a school enter the country etc.)” What I am saying is I don’t see the point of your nitpick. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heh-moussaoui-on-day-five-this-isnt-as-much-fun-as-i-thought-it-might-be/356034.md?page=3)